The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (show, quote)

[littleknowitall]

As humans we have unnaturally over-populated the earth and we have to face the facts that sometimes murderers will be bornand people are going to die, it's something i don't think i can ever believe we'll come close to abolishing. *shrugs*

In that sense, in some kind of sick way i suppose it benefits society.

[skindredluver]

I think killing is mean and wrong cause you are killing someone then there friends will try to kill you then youll kill them or thell kill you it goes on like a never ending chian

[The Unfan]

As odd as it may sound I think alot of the human thought process comes from the will to survive. Which could be the grounds of morality, and possibly religion too. Perhaps the thought that killing is wrong is based on us wanting to survive and thus we view the (unjust) death of another as wrong.

[cardboard adolescent]

There's no such thing as right and wrong. The reason we feel instinctually repulsed by killing is because of our biological instinct to ensure the survival of the species.

And on the level of individual survival instinct, killing is wrong because if you do it you go to jail and possibly get executed.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

There's no such thing as right and wrong. The reason we feel instinctually repulsed by killing is because of our biological instinct to ensure the survival of the species.

And on the level of individual survival instinct, killing is wrong because if you do it you go to jail and possibly get executed.

Well there is such thing as right and wrong, its just for the most part relative to the individual, and even more so to the society. Most societies (atleast those that dont believe in reincarnation) are against killing b/c they they realize how frail human life is, and once its over, then its over forever.

[swim]

Do you understand the point of this thread?

Originally Posted by hiu

So is the idea of killing someone based on our standards of society and why do you consider killing wrong? or is it even wrong?

Oojay, you're just reiterating common ideals and often using the words society and christianity. I took that the point of this was to step back and look at things differently. I don't know you're just talking in circles, sh.










I don't think we can control our actions so nothing is right or wrong and well nothing is.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

Do you understand the point of this thread?


Oojay, you're just reiterating common ideals and often using the words society and christianity. I took that the point of this was to step back and look at things differently. I don't know you're just talking in circles, sh.










I don't think we can control our actions so nothing is right or wrong and well nothing is.

No, pretty much Im the only one who has answered the question. You have contribued nothing thus far, so callate la boca. And if youre going to quote hiu, use the whole quote, which also included terms such as "society" and "christianity".


People CAN control their actions, its called free will. And things are right or wrong, just depending on who you ask. This pseudo-nihilist-bullsh*t that youre trying to pull off is laughable at best. And maybe my ideals are common for a reason. Most laws reguarding killing are based on common sense, something which you appear to be lacking.

[swim]

I don't care what your ideals are but you keep saying the basic thing over and over.
Bullshit? It's basic logic. It's science. Your DNA and environment are the 2 factors that control who you are. Those are two things you have no control over. Your DNA more or less predetermines how you react to situations. They did this study in England where they genetically screened males who comitted extremely violent crimes. 75% had trisomy 23, XYY. My point of that is that your chemical make up is what decides what you do and your previous actions and exposure to different things is what determines what you'll do next. Making a complex chain that surely was inevidible just because of what came before.

[cardboard adolescent]

If right and wrong is relative to the individual, and I, as an individual, believe there is no such thing as right and wrong, then there must not be.

And don't most societies cling to that comforting idea of eternity of the soul?

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

I don't care what your ideals are but you keep saying the basic thing over and over.
Bullshit? It's basic logic. It's science. Your DNA and environment are the 2 factors that control who you are. Those are two things you have no control over. Your DNA more or less predetermines how you react to situations. They did this study in England where they genetically screened males who comitted extremely violent crimes. 75% had trisomy 23, XYY. My point of that is that your chemical make up is what decides what you do and your previous actions and exposure to different things is what determines what you'll do next. Making a complex chain that surely was inevidible just because of what came before.

So youre explaining how killing is wrong by telling me about chromosomes? And how can you say that one has no control over their environment? If you dont like where you live, move somewhere else. If you dont like your friends, get new ones. You argument holds no weight. Saying killing is wrong by describing how some british scientist thinks people may be pre-disposed to it makes absolutley no sense. And Im forced to say the same thing over and over and again because you dont seem to be comprehending common sense. I guess it comes down to nature vs. nurture (which I assume is what you were trying to get at in so many words). But your DNA is not what determines how one acts, it is determined by their own personality and free will. Im sure that if they screen many who didnt commit violent crimes, then they would find that exact same chromosome in them as well.