The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (rock, show, quote)

[Raine]

I watched the Candidates for PA senator debate. Rick Santorum the incumbent seems to be all for going into North Korea. Bob Casey, didn't seem to be aware that North Korea was launching nukes.

Just thought I'd add that since Santorum will most likely win and supports Bush in all things.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Raine

I watched the Candidates for PA senator debate. Rick Santorum the incumbent seems to be all for going into North Korea. Bob Casey, didn't seem to be aware that North Korea was launching nukes.

Just thought I'd add that since Santorum will most likely win and supports Bush in all things.

well most republicans do agree with each other (with a few large and austrian, and AZ governor-ish exceptions). and bob casey not knowing anything about the NK ordeal is hilarious. "Hi, im a politician. where do i stand on North Korea?...umm...North who?"

[Raine]

Originally Posted by oojay

well most republicans do agree with each other (with a few large and austrian, and AZ governor-ish exceptions). and bob casey not knowing anything about the NK ordeal is hilarious. "Hi, im a politician. where do i stand on North Korea?...umm...North who?"

half the time he was silent. There's no way he has a shot at winning.
At one point, Rick corrected him and told him "get your facts straight." He was owned horribly.

And there are a lot of members of Bush's own party that don't like some of Bush's actions here lately. That's when you know things are bad.

[[MERIT]]

im a conservative (hate to use the word "republican"...its so 1864) and i try to keep an open mind. for the most part i do support Bush, but when he fux up i call it. like trying to outsource our port securit to a Dubai company was absurd. i think he may still have some of that coke from the 70's in his system

[Raine]

Originally Posted by oojay

im a conservative (hate to use the word "republican"...its so 1864) and i try to keep an open mind. for the most part i do support Bush, but when he fux up i call it. like trying to outsource our port securit to a Dubai company was absurd. i think he may still have some of that coke from the 70's in his system

it feels like he's abusing his powers.

[[MERIT]]

how so?

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

A bit slow to notice this, but just to point out, whether or not its relevant to your argument, that North Korea and Iran are also part of the UN. As far as I know, every country apart from Vatican City, Western Sahara and Palestine or something like that (and maybe some other random African country) are members of the UN. So your idea that a country being part of the UN means it must be acting in the benefit of 'the world' wouldn't be consistent with your idea that Iran sponsoring terrorism and North Korea having nuclear capabilites were not benefitting the world.

Regardless, the people who run the UN and many other countries have threatened to act out if NK continue making nukes, so you don't have to make it out like it was all our idea.

Originally Posted by Raine

it feels like he's abusing his powers.

Many world leaders abuse their powers, nothing new.

Not that it makes an excuse for Bush, whom I have trust issues with, he's not very good with speechs (where's slick willy when you need em? ) and overall he seems to always have an agenda about something, especially Iraq... But I don't like it when people demonize him as an evil whoremonger and compare him to Hitler, I don't think he's that way, but I do agree, he is pretty dumb a lot of times, and he's known for carrying things out before even considering the validity of his sources, hence Iraq.

And I think Bush's decision to invade Iraq has more to do with his Intelligence than him having some sinister plan to have all the Oil in the world or something stupid like that.

However, I think Cheney and Rummys intentions may have been different, I'm paticularlly suspicious of Cheney, you know, because of the whole Halliburton thing.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Regardless, the people who run the UN and many other countries have threatened to act out if NK continue making nukes, so you don't have to make it out like it was all our idea.

thats exactly what i was trying to convey earlier to *insert british names here.* but the UN making threats is quite comical. they dont even have an army to enforce their sanctions.

[Raine]

The patriot Act for one thing. It's like he's going through the constitution and trying to find more laws and rights of ours to violate.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Raine

The patriot Act for one thing. It's like he's going through the ocnstitution and trying to find more laws and rights of ours to violate.

are you serious? everyone talks about the patriot act violating our civil liberties and such but 99.9% of them have never taken the time to actually read it. its provisions are designed to keep us safe, and if that means a few extra hours at the airport or someone keeping track of what books i check out at the local library then so be it. and its not like Bush just wrote the patriot act and made it law. it was created and voted in by many bi-partisan committes and groups, including republicans, as well as democrats and independants. so we cant put all of our problems off onto 'ol W.