The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (quote, suicide, Ching, Hang)

[crimepartner]

Originally Posted by SuperPseudonym

I'm all for the death penalty. If I was to kill someone I'd be much happier with dying than living in jail until I died. (Most of the time) People kill eachother for a reason. If I am to kill someone, I will have made my mind up to do it. Sort of a "going out with a bang" idea. That would be my final act in life. To end the one I hated. You shouldn't be punished for doing what you want, but you'll be ended for it if it's """"bad"""" enough, and if it was worth it, you did the right thing.

If anyone wants to flame me, I'm also for abortion and assisted suicide. Have fun.

I agree with you about the death penalty. how will someone ever know the extent of there crime if they dont experience it as they commited it.

[franscar]

Originally Posted by SuperPseudonym

If I was to kill someone I'd be much happier with dying than living in jail until I died.

All the more reason to leave you rotting away in a cell then really.

[SuperPseudonym]

Originally Posted by franscar

All the more reason to leave you rotting away in a cell then really.

Yeah. Sooo, you are just going with "doing what the person doesn't want?" I don't really think jail teaches anyone. So what you said, to me anyway, would be like beating your children because they stole something. How about a fair punishment? Death of course!

[franscar]

Originally Posted by SuperPseudonym

Yeah. Sooo, you are just going with "doing what the person doesn't want?" I don't really think jail teaches anyone. So what you said, to me anyway, would be like beating your children because they stole something. How about a fair punishment? Death of course!

The point of jail. To punish and to rehabilitate. Punishment is taking away a person's right to freedom, their right to vote etc. Rehabilitation is the education of the convict into understanding the wrong doing and, in cases where the judge deems their to be little or no chance of rehabilitation, then the convict is not given the second chance of a shortened sentence.

Death is an inhumane punishment, one that no forward thinking, civilised nation would even possibly consider in the present day. The risks involved in taking a human life on the basis that they may have commited a crime deemed worthy of that punishment are simply too high for it to have any possibly positive outcome. One innocent life taken as a result of the death penalty is too many, and innocent lives have been taken as a result of the death penalty. The machismo, flippant attitude to human life displayed by those in favour of the death penalty simply isn't backed up by anything approaching a relevant argument for such a course of action.

[SuperPseudonym]

Originally Posted by franscar

Death is an inhumane punishment, one that no forward thinking, civilised nation would even possibly consider in the present day.

Wow. That's completely opinion. I find being trapped in a cage and anally raped much more inhumane than getting some lethal pills.
You're silly.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by SuperPseudonym

Wow. That's completely opinion. I find being trapped in a cage and anally raped much more inhumane than getting some lethal pills.
You're silly.

Hey.
Its a forum opinions are allowed.
OMGOMG NO THEY'RE NOT.
I agree with franscar on this.

[SuperPseudonym]

Obviously opinions are allowed. I made one in my last post.
I was just making sure fran knew that not everyone agrees with him.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by franscar

The point of jail. To punish and to rehabilitate. Punishment is taking away a person's right to freedom, their right to vote etc. Rehabilitation is the education of the convict into understanding the wrong doing and, in cases where the judge deems their to be little or no chance of rehabilitation, then the convict is not given the second chance of a shortened sentence.

But isn't putting a person in jail for life with no parole only accomplishing the first part of that (the punishment...which is debatable)

[jibber]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

But isn't putting a person in jail for life with no parole only accomplishing the first part of that (the punishment...which is debatable)

true, but some criminals shouldn't be given a second chance. and in reading other posts, i'll retract my statement that all murders are the same. if someone killed a guy who was found to have raped his daughter or something, then yes, different circumstances and different sentences would apply compared to some lunatic who just went on a killing spree.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by jibber

true, but some criminals shouldn't be given a second chance. and in reading other posts, i'll retract my statement that all murders are the same. if someone killed a guy who was found to have raped his daughter or something, then yes, different circumstances and different sentences would apply compared to some lunatic who just went on a killing spree.

Yes but the murder you are talking about being a different circumstance, are you talking about him just going and killing him in a moment of rage when he just finds out, or it being premeditated. I think all premeditated murder deserves the death penalty for sure. When you take the time to plan out how you are going to do something and then go through with it, it just doesn't deserve to be given the second chance at anything, including life.

Also, whoever brought up the assissted suicide thing earlier, that would be an interesting topic too.