The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (quote)

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

That was referring to the baby pooping quote.


I meant rejecting all existance.

rejecting all existance? like thinking that all life is just a figment of one's imagination?

[swim]

One would have to exist to have an imagination. Everything is nothing. Never is never was. It's not an explanation how but an explanation what.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

One would have to exist to have an imagination. Everything is nothing. Never is never was. It's not an explanation how but an explanation what.

But how can you deny that something exists? If you can feel it, see it, touch it, taste it, hear it, smell it, isnt that enough?

[swim]

Can you really?

I think you think I'm just some teenage **** who looked a word in a dictionary and thought it was cool. I've thought about it long and hard.

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

Can you really?

I think you think I'm just some teenage **** who looked a word in a dictionary and thought it was cool. I've thought about it long and hard.

Im not going to lie, that thought has crossed my mind once or twice. But if you claim its legit, its not my place to question it. Im just curious to how one can come to such conclusions about life.

[tdoc210]

Killing isn't wrong
its only instinct for your own survival,or personal benefit
(pre ciclizationess)
say you need food, kill someone and eat it
mad at someone..kill them
need soemthing and someone wont give it you, kill them
bla bla
killing in soceity today is wrong
but if there was no soceity, it would be accepted
its because from birth we are told it is wrong
just like from birth we are force fed religous lies
to comfort us

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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr

Killing isn't wrong
its only instinct for your own survival,or personal benefit
(pre ciclizationess)
say you need food, kill someone and eat it
mad at someone..kill them
need soemthing and someone wont give it you, kill them
bla bla
killing in soceity today is wrong
but if there was no soceity, it would be accepted
its because from birth we are told it is wrong
just like from birth we are force fed religous lies
to comfort us

come now mikey, lets not be naive. It comes down to whether you think man is naturally good, or naturally evil. With or w/o society, if man is naturally good, then they wont just randomly kill w/o remorse. If man is naturally evil, then they will. Its as simple as that. And lets not start with the "religious lies" crap tonight. We all know that ypou believe in no religion, we dont need to hear about it in every post.

[swim]

I'll explain in detail my thought process tomorrow, if you're truly interested [I'm tired] but, a thought came in my head . You believe that when you put a gallon of gas in your car that all conditions being exactly the same that it'll go exactly the same distance. I mean why wouldn't it. Chemistry and physics says that if it's identical situation you should get identical results.

But that's really hard to archive. I mean the gas might have more carbon or oxygen or less or something making it not exactly the same. The driver might suddenly lose an ounce of weight, the tires might not have the exact same amount of tread, you might start a couple of mms off making the incline different, the car might drift differently.

So theoretically putting the identical dna into an identical situation would give you identical products.




No you can't conceive that?

[swim]

Originally Posted by oojay

come now mikey, lets not be naive. It comes down to whether you think man is naturally good, or naturally evil. With or w/o society, if man is naturally good, then they wont just randomly kill w/o remorse. If man is naturally evil, then they will. Its as simple as that. And lets not start with the "religious lies" crap tonight. We all know that ypou believe in no religion, we dont need to hear about it in every post.

Abstract ideas based on individual's morals. So man can't be either because it's an opinion. Subjective things can't be used objectively, basically.

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

I'll explain in detail my thought process tomorrow, if you're truly interested [I'm tired] but, a thought came in my head . You believe that when you put a gallon of gas in your car that all conditions being exactly the same that it'll go exactly the same distance. I mean why wouldn't it. Chemistry and physics says that if it's identical situation you should get identical results.

But that's really hard to archive. I mean the gas might have more carbon or oxygen or less or something making it not exactly the same. The driver might suddenly lose an ounce of weight, the tires might not have the exact same amount of tread, you might start a couple of mms off making the incline different, the car might drift differently.

So theoretically putting the identical dna into an identical situation would give you identical products.




No you can't conceive that?

Not counting other factors, such as influence or free will, that seems theoretically sound. But there is a problem with that. Everyone's DNA is different and unique to them (with the exception of some identical twins and such) so the thinking is fundamentally flawed.