The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (quote)

right-track · 06-07-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by moley

i like to think one day, given proper motivation i could become a buddhist.
probably the nicest religeon that springs to mind.

Gnostic belief and Buddhism are practically the same.

littleknowitall · 06-07-2006, 05:55 PM

then why not call yourself a buddhist?

right-track · 06-07-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by moley

then why not call yourself a buddhist?

Because I'm not religious, but Gnostic belief makes more sense of the world than Christianity does.
Gnostic teachings pre-date Christianity and claims Christ was a Gnostic.

littleknowitall · 06-07-2006, 06:00 PM

as did that film i was watching

but they took it all a bit far....they left you with the claim that christ is now buried in persia.

right-track · 06-07-2006, 06:03 PM

Interestingly, the film 'The Matrix' is based on Gnostic belief.

Juggalo4life88 · 06-07-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

The whole point of Christianity is 'faith'

It`s not meant to be proven , it`s what you beleive in.

It seems we have somehting in common. Definatly creation. And it does take faith to believe it. I do not like monkeys and the whole evolution thing is not how we got here or why we're here. Again, Creation.

ZeppelinAir · 06-07-2006, 08:45 PM

we must have been created, if the big bang is so then were did the creatures that came from that come from, they had to start some in some place, and i would kill my self if i knew that i came from a damn monkey

Juggalo4life88 · 06-07-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeppelinAir

we must have been created, if the big bang is so then were did the creatures that came from that come from, they had to start some in some place, and i would kill my self if i knew that i came from a damn monkey

Same here. Screw the monkeys. I ain't believing that I came from a damn monkey. I'd kill myself if I did, too!

jr. · 06-07-2006, 08:55 PM

Well, I may as well stick my two cents worth in here, since this thread has gotten around to this particular topic.

I am often mistaken for a Buddhist, which is ok. The Dalai Lama is one of the people I admire most, because of his ability to see things simply for what they are. If there was one person on this earth I could sit and speak with for an hour, it would be him.

Buddhism isn't really about worshipping. It's about listening to yourself. Your spirit is the most important tool in Buddhism. They don't say "Stand at this altar and worship". They say "Sit quietly, alone, and listen to yourself. Find your path."

I am not Buddhist, though. However, I do practice and believe in a lot of their ways. Meditation is something I recommend to anyone who feels upset on the inside. Just close the door, and sit quietly. Be aware of your thoughts, and consciously remove them. Visualized them getting pushed away, smaller and smaller, until they are gone. Then just breathe. Focus on a sound. A hum, a tone, whatever. Breathe. It takes practice. Sometimes, I get really deep, sometimes, not. But I always come out of my meditation feeling calmer, if for no other reason, because I sat still and settled my spirit.

I spent a lot of years, drifting from religion to religion, trying to 'find' peace, when all along, I was carrying it inside me. It was a defining moment in my life, when I realized I didn't need anyone but myself to live quietly, peacefully, and content.

However, I also believe in, and practice, Native American customs and rituals. They believe all things are sacred, not just a 'God'. Of course, they worship a Great Spirit, but they also believe in the sacred value of animals, trees, the sky, the sun, everything. It's all relevant to them. They believe we (humans) are as much a part of the landscape as the rock they're standing on. They don't think they're any better than any living thing.

I also have my medicine, a small pouch I wear, with a few private things inside that mean nothing to anyone but me. They represent strength, wisdom, and dignity.

Like I said, I spent a lot of years looking outward for peace. It's not anywhere 'outward'. It's inward. Organized religion in, too me, based on fear, not faith. "Live like this, or you won't get to heaven". Scary thought, eh?

My belief is, if you are compassionate towards other lives, (meaning not only humans, but animals, plants, etc), and treat them with respect, your life will be a good one. You will sleep well, knowing you were a good human being today.

I'm not knocking anyone's religious beliefs. If what you believe gives you peace, then it is no one's business but your own. My belief system is an odd melding of Buddhism and Native American custom. It's not recognized by any church, but it is what I believe, completely believe, to be true. That's all the further it needs to go.

~~bungalow~~ · 06-07-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Juggalo4life88

Same here. Screw the monkeys. I ain't believing that I came from a damn monkey. I'd kill myself if I did, too!

You better go hop of a bridge because I hate to tell you, but humans evolved from apes. Maybe a science class would help you, dumbass.

06-07-2006, 08:45 PM	#1387 (permalink)
ZeppelinAir Long time no see Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: somewhere in Michigan Posts: 512	we must have been created, if the big bang is so then were did the creatures that came from that come from, they had to start some in some place, and i would kill my self if i knew that i came from a damn monkey __________________ not that old signature

06-07-2006, 08:55 PM	#1389 (permalink)
jr. Seeker of Peace Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newark, De. Posts: 341	Well, I may as well stick my two cents worth in here, since this thread has gotten around to this particular topic. I am often mistaken for a Buddhist, which is ok. The Dalai Lama is one of the people I admire most, because of his ability to see things simply for what they are. If there was one person on this earth I could sit and speak with for an hour, it would be him. Buddhism isn't really about worshipping. It's about listening to yourself. Your spirit is the most important tool in Buddhism. They don't say "Stand at this altar and worship". They say "Sit quietly, alone, and listen to yourself. Find your path." I am not Buddhist, though. However, I do practice and believe in a lot of their ways. Meditation is something I recommend to anyone who feels upset on the inside. Just close the door, and sit quietly. Be aware of your thoughts, and consciously remove them. Visualized them getting pushed away, smaller and smaller, until they are gone. Then just breathe. Focus on a sound. A hum, a tone, whatever. Breathe. It takes practice. Sometimes, I get really deep, sometimes, not. But I always come out of my meditation feeling calmer, if for no other reason, because I sat still and settled my spirit. I spent a lot of years, drifting from religion to religion, trying to 'find' peace, when all along, I was carrying it inside me. It was a defining moment in my life, when I realized I didn't need anyone but myself to live quietly, peacefully, and content. However, I also believe in, and practice, Native American customs and rituals. They believe all things are sacred, not just a 'God'. Of course, they worship a Great Spirit, but they also believe in the sacred value of animals, trees, the sky, the sun, everything. It's all relevant to them. They believe we (humans) are as much a part of the landscape as the rock they're standing on. They don't think they're any better than any living thing. I also have my medicine, a small pouch I wear, with a few private things inside that mean nothing to anyone but me. They represent strength, wisdom, and dignity. Like I said, I spent a lot of years looking outward for peace. It's not anywhere 'outward'. It's inward. Organized religion in, too me, based on fear, not faith. "Live like this, or you won't get to heaven". Scary thought, eh? My belief is, if you are compassionate towards other lives, (meaning not only humans, but animals, plants, etc), and treat them with respect, your life will be a good one. You will sleep well, knowing you were a good human being today. I'm not knocking anyone's religious beliefs. If what you believe gives you peace, then it is no one's business but your own. My belief system is an odd melding of Buddhism and Native American custom. It's not recognized by any church, but it is what I believe, completely believe, to be true. That's all the further it needs to go. __________________ Be strong then, and enter into your own body; there you have a solid place for your feet. ~ Kabir

06-07-2006, 05:55 PM	#1382 (permalink)
littleknowitall Pow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,671	then why not call yourself a buddhist?

06-07-2006, 06:00 PM	#1384 (permalink)
littleknowitall Pow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,671	as did that film i was watching but they took it all a bit far....they left you with the claim that christ is now buried in persia.

06-07-2006, 06:03 PM	#1385 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Interestingly, the film 'The Matrix' is based on Gnostic belief.