The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (fan, quote, song, Hang)

right-track · 07-26-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the death of capitilism

K This topic fucking sucks now, fuck war's not called for ever K get it, end of discussion, This is fucking ridiculous, you feckers who think war is fun or population contol go fuck yourselves. Fucking close this, I'm sick of it, it was a bad fucking idea

Some of the debate on this thread has been excellent (it's obvious who the more mature contributors have been). Well worth starting it DOC.

I'm going to leave it open for now, providing the discussion stays lively and the odd personal attacks stop.

Juggalo4life88 · 07-26-2006, 03:04 PM

God did say to love thy neighbor,but in the Bible it also says that there is a place for war, because God knew by letting us govern ourselves that conflict would erupt, just as it has here. If the tables were turned, and it was us being bombed everyday, being slaughtered, and unjustly murdered........would you just let them. I mean think about if it was your family killed, I doubt you would be all anti-war then. Apparently noone wants to bring up Purim. Purim was a day that God gave Israel one chance to destroy an enemy of theirs that was trying to wipe them out. They were allowed to fight and destroy the enemy, but couldn't take any spoils of the war. Israel did just that, and I think this will be another Purim pretty soon. And everyone seems to be forgetting that the palestinians and other arab nations have been attacking Israel long before they ever started retaliating. Why is it okay for someone to attack them but they can't fight back. Tell me why you think that Israel should be annihilated? No stupid answers. And it's obvious that their are nazis here and I may be german, but I would not fight the jews. I would have allied with them, but then again, Hitler wasn't german.

~~Rabid Sea Turtles~~ · 07-26-2006, 03:38 PM

We're the Nazis?
You are the one who is claiming that Israel should obliterate any country that occupies land once belonging to them.

freaduib · 07-26-2006, 04:05 PM

The way I see it... Conflict has been in this region since the crusades. These are proud and stubborn people over there and anyone who thinks there can be peace over there is a damn fool. Its a sad truth that the middle east is like this and has always been like this. Sure they can make a cease fire and make some treaties that will result in limited violence for a while, but its a cycle and these treaties and talks only last for a limited time. I don't have any answers as to what to do over there. Iran will eventually try and controll the entire region with Syria. Nobody wants the United States to get involved but who else has the balls too. There needs to be a large UN army that is prepared to go in there and start kicking ass and taking names with any country that gets out of line. But whatever... i could ramble about this forever and there are no solutions to this problem just temporary answers.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-26-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Juggalo4life88

God did say to love thy neighbor,but in the Bible it also says that there is a place for war, because God knew by letting us govern ourselves that conflict would erupt, just as it has here. If the tables were turned, and it was us being bombed everyday, being slaughtered, and unjustly murdered........would you just let them. I mean think about if it was your family killed, I doubt you would be all anti-war then. Apparently noone wants to bring up Purim. Purim was a day that God gave Israel one chance to destroy an enemy of theirs that was trying to wipe them out. They were allowed to fight and destroy the enemy, but couldn't take any spoils of the war. Israel did just that, and I think this will be another Purim pretty soon. And everyone seems to be forgetting that the palestinians and other arab nations have been attacking Israel long before they ever started retaliating. Why is it okay for someone to attack them but they can't fight back. Tell me why you think that Israel should be annihilated? No stupid answers. And it's obvious that their are nazis here and I may be german, but I would not fight the jews. I would have allied with them, but then again, Hitler wasn't german.

Last I checked Isreal wasn`t getting annihilated.

I just find it strange that as a christian you want to see a nation of innocent people wiped off the face of the earth. Even at the height or the IRA bombings in London (One of which I was in London when it happened) I NEVER wanted Ireland and all Irish people wiped off the face of the earth. So why should you want innocent Lebanese people killed?

You`ve promoted more hate in this topic than anybody else put together.
Congratulations on giving your God a bad name.

right-track · 07-26-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Juggalo4life88

God did say to love thy neighbor,but in the Bible it also says that there is a place for war, because God knew by letting us govern ourselves that conflict would erupt, just as it has here. If the tables were turned, and it was us being bombed everyday, being slaughtered, and unjustly murdered........would you just let them. I mean think about if it was your family killed, I doubt you would be all anti-war then. Apparently noone wants to bring up Purim. Purim was a day that God gave Israel one chance to destroy an enemy of theirs that was trying to wipe them out. They were allowed to fight and destroy the enemy, but couldn't take any spoils of the war. Israel did just that, and I think this will be another Purim pretty soon. And everyone seems to be forgetting that the palestinians and other arab nations have been attacking Israel long before they ever started retaliating. Why is it okay for someone to attack them but they can't fight back. Tell me why you think that Israel should be annihilated? No stupid answers. And it's obvious that their are nazis here and I may be german, but I would not fight the jews. I would have allied with them, but then again, Hitler wasn't german.

I have a question?
Hitler as most people know was Austrian, but what has Hitler not being German got to do with your point? In the context of your post that is.
Am I missing something?

Juggalo4life88 · 07-27-2006, 02:00 AM

Because Hitler used the Germans to fight his war for him. And it seems like I am talking to a wall here with some of you. You know, this fighting can go on for a long time. The way I see it, Lebanon's people don't seem to be trying to end their side of the conflict, they are just as guilty, The same more so for Hezbollah. Israel won't stop until it knows that they can secure thier homeland. Why is it so hard for you ill minded people to understand that Israel didn't start this war. And the world takes them defending themselves as evil. How about the ones that started the bombings they have had to deal with. I can't believe that you guys can sit there and say that Israel has been the one to start everything over there, when the truth of other nations wanting no more than to wipe Israel out have started it. I can't believe that someone that speaks of anti war, can sit there and agree with the enemies of Israel attacking them. You are just as bad. You are as guilty as Hezbollah. Innocent Lebanese people shouldn't die, but in this case, they won't seperate themselves from the enemy so they can deal with it. Israel won't lose this fight, only postpone it. In the end, Israel will not be a nation to mess with. All they wanted was to live with out the fear of an air raid, or a car bombing killing their children, or anything else that takes their families lives. But apparently their enemy has decided to fight it out and now must deal with the outcome, whether you like it or not. I may not like it , and you may not like it. I hate war just as much as anyone else, but in this world there is no other choice but defense when an enemy is attacking. Answer a question I asked before, what would you do if it was your loved ones dying for no reason to a nation of heartless, God hating losers like Hezbollah? Answer that, and if you would let your own flesh and blood die to their hands, then you are not human and are a coward. No one can change my opinion on this, and I don't care what anyone else has to say about my views, unless they can respect my decision. Until they do, I won't accept yours. Israel and the US together till the end and I am proud to be in a nation that accepts them and is allied with them. MCL!!!!!!!

~~Rabid Sea Turtles~~ · 07-27-2006, 02:23 AM

Your posts would be easier to swallow if you knew what you were talking about.
Hezbollah are not God hating losers you moron, they are a resistance operation established to remove Isreali troops from Lebanon. Hezbollah aren't blowing themselves up.
Isreali isn't trying to "secure its homeland", it is trying to secure its military is places that aren't its "homeland"

Juggalo4life88 · 07-27-2006, 02:32 AM

Man, you just keep keep thinking you know what's going on. I didn't mean that Hezbollah was doing the car bombs, or denying why they think they are there. You just assumed that. I meant the attacks on Israel as a whole, but you can't grasp that. Why don't you study the end times and put the pieces of the puzzle together. It is starting to fall into place. But you are to blind by your own stupidity. All I will say is that in the end, you will wish you had taken the time to actually learn about what's happening here. It's bigger than anything anyone can imagine. But just keep thinking that you are always right and that Israel deserves what is happening here, cause I can't change your opinion, but it's not my job to. Give this war time to play out, and you will see what I mean, eventually, Israel won't have to even lift a finger to destroy it's oppressors.

Raine · 07-27-2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Juggalo4life88

Man, you just keep keep thinking you know what's going on. I didn't mean that Hezbollah was doing the car bombs, or denying why they think they are there. You just assumed that. I meant the attacks on Israel as a whole, but you can't grasp that. Why don't you study the end times and put the pieces of the puzzle together. It is starting to fall into place. But you are to blind by your own stupidity. All I will say is that in the end, you will wish you had taken the time to actually learn about what's happening here. It's bigger than anything anyone can imagine. But just keep thinking that you are always right and that Israel deserves what is happening here, cause I can't change your opinion, but it's not my job to. Give this war time to play out, and you will see what I mean, eventually, Israel won't have to even lift a finger to destroy it's oppressors.

Dude are you retarded?
It doesn't sound like you know much about the situation.
You're speaking on this from your religious point of view.
I think it's great that you believe in god and see him so powerful as enough to by deus ex machina end all of this. It's a noble idea. But unless god appears on the field or by some hand of fate something turns the tide in favor of Israel all of a sudden, these ideals mean nothing.

07-26-2006, 03:04 PM	#1732 (permalink)
Juggalo4life88 I'm a ****er ain't I.lol Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bad Axe, MI Posts: 122	God did say to love thy neighbor,but in the Bible it also says that there is a place for war, because God knew by letting us govern ourselves that conflict would erupt, just as it has here. If the tables were turned, and it was us being bombed everyday, being slaughtered, and unjustly murdered........would you just let them. I mean think about if it was your family killed, I doubt you would be all anti-war then. Apparently noone wants to bring up Purim. Purim was a day that God gave Israel one chance to destroy an enemy of theirs that was trying to wipe them out. They were allowed to fight and destroy the enemy, but couldn't take any spoils of the war. Israel did just that, and I think this will be another Purim pretty soon. And everyone seems to be forgetting that the palestinians and other arab nations have been attacking Israel long before they ever started retaliating. Why is it okay for someone to attack them but they can't fight back. Tell me why you think that Israel should be annihilated? No stupid answers. And it's obvious that their are nazis here and I may be german, but I would not fight the jews. I would have allied with them, but then again, Hitler wasn't german. __________________ Ladies and gentlemen come here, major greeting Your keeper of wickedry, the path to shangrila Is missled by he, missled by you He is of your negativity, he is of your hate Meet the other half of the jugglin duo That is your soul The amazing jack jeckel!!!! Jeckel another j catch one more Theyll try and catch all thats instore for you How many souls will fall from the sky? How many souls burned wonderin why?

07-27-2006, 02:00 AM	#1737 (permalink)
Juggalo4life88 I'm a ****er ain't I.lol Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bad Axe, MI Posts: 122	Because Hitler used the Germans to fight his war for him. And it seems like I am talking to a wall here with some of you. You know, this fighting can go on for a long time. The way I see it, Lebanon's people don't seem to be trying to end their side of the conflict, they are just as guilty, The same more so for Hezbollah. Israel won't stop until it knows that they can secure thier homeland. Why is it so hard for you ill minded people to understand that Israel didn't start this war. And the world takes them defending themselves as evil. How about the ones that started the bombings they have had to deal with. I can't believe that you guys can sit there and say that Israel has been the one to start everything over there, when the truth of other nations wanting no more than to wipe Israel out have started it. I can't believe that someone that speaks of anti war, can sit there and agree with the enemies of Israel attacking them. You are just as bad. You are as guilty as Hezbollah. Innocent Lebanese people shouldn't die, but in this case, they won't seperate themselves from the enemy so they can deal with it. Israel won't lose this fight, only postpone it. In the end, Israel will not be a nation to mess with. All they wanted was to live with out the fear of an air raid, or a car bombing killing their children, or anything else that takes their families lives. But apparently their enemy has decided to fight it out and now must deal with the outcome, whether you like it or not. I may not like it , and you may not like it. I hate war just as much as anyone else, but in this world there is no other choice but defense when an enemy is attacking. Answer a question I asked before, what would you do if it was your loved ones dying for no reason to a nation of heartless, God hating losers like Hezbollah? Answer that, and if you would let your own flesh and blood die to their hands, then you are not human and are a coward. No one can change my opinion on this, and I don't care what anyone else has to say about my views, unless they can respect my decision. Until they do, I won't accept yours. Israel and the US together till the end and I am proud to be in a nation that accepts them and is allied with them. MCL!!!!!!! __________________ Ladies and gentlemen come here, major greeting Your keeper of wickedry, the path to shangrila Is missled by he, missled by you He is of your negativity, he is of your hate Meet the other half of the jugglin duo That is your soul The amazing jack jeckel!!!! Jeckel another j catch one more Theyll try and catch all thats instore for you How many souls will fall from the sky? How many souls burned wonderin why?

07-27-2006, 02:32 AM	#1739 (permalink)
Juggalo4life88 I'm a ****er ain't I.lol Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bad Axe, MI Posts: 122	Man, you just keep keep thinking you know what's going on. I didn't mean that Hezbollah was doing the car bombs, or denying why they think they are there. You just assumed that. I meant the attacks on Israel as a whole, but you can't grasp that. Why don't you study the end times and put the pieces of the puzzle together. It is starting to fall into place. But you are to blind by your own stupidity. All I will say is that in the end, you will wish you had taken the time to actually learn about what's happening here. It's bigger than anything anyone can imagine. But just keep thinking that you are always right and that Israel deserves what is happening here, cause I can't change your opinion, but it's not my job to. Give this war time to play out, and you will see what I mean, eventually, Israel won't have to even lift a finger to destroy it's oppressors. __________________ Ladies and gentlemen come here, major greeting Your keeper of wickedry, the path to shangrila Is missled by he, missled by you He is of your negativity, he is of your hate Meet the other half of the jugglin duo That is your soul The amazing jack jeckel!!!! Jeckel another j catch one more Theyll try and catch all thats instore for you How many souls will fall from the sky? How many souls burned wonderin why?

07-26-2006, 03:38 PM	#1733 (permalink)
~~Rabid Sea Turtles~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the sea... Posts: 252	We're the Nazis? You are the one who is claiming that Israel should obliterate any country that occupies land once belonging to them.

07-26-2006, 04:05 PM	#1734 (permalink)
freaduib Groupie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 0	The way I see it... Conflict has been in this region since the crusades. These are proud and stubborn people over there and anyone who thinks there can be peace over there is a damn fool. Its a sad truth that the middle east is like this and has always been like this. Sure they can make a cease fire and make some treaties that will result in limited violence for a while, but its a cycle and these treaties and talks only last for a limited time. I don't have any answers as to what to do over there. Iran will eventually try and controll the entire region with Syria. Nobody wants the United States to get involved but who else has the balls too. There needs to be a large UN army that is prepared to go in there and start kicking ass and taking names with any country that gets out of line. But whatever... i could ramble about this forever and there are no solutions to this problem just temporary answers.

07-27-2006, 02:23 AM	#1738 (permalink)
~~Rabid Sea Turtles~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the sea... Posts: 252	Your posts would be easier to swallow if you knew what you were talking about. Hezbollah are not God hating losers you moron, they are a resistance operation established to remove Isreali troops from Lebanon. Hezbollah aren't blowing themselves up. Isreali isn't trying to "secure its homeland", it is trying to secure its military is places that aren't its "homeland"