The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, rock, single, American)

[Interactive]

Originally Posted by ffmariners

ummm...
US tanks are designed to operate in open fields.

take for example in 1941, Rommel of Germany defeated British troops in North Africa with tanks. The largest tank battle was fought at Kursk in 1943, in which the Soviets defeated Germans. In 1973, Egypt defeated Israeli tanks with anti-tank missiles. All of these tank battles were fought in open fields. The Gulf War and the recent war in Iraq saw US tanks in open fields.

So every war we haved used tanks in has been open fields, except vietnam... and we know how useful tanks were then lol

well if you dont know all the tanks did was break down cause they couldnt handle the terrain. my dad was a tank mechanic in vietnam, i know this as a fact.

American and Western tank commanders do not know how to fight tank battles in rugged terrains... so not only is the actual tank useless out of open fields, the leaders are inept too

You're comparing our 'tank technology' of ww2/korea/vietnam to that of today, not really fair wouldn't you say?

If your dad was a tank commander why don't you enlighten us on what model he worked on, along with where he was stationed and took AIT?

American tank commanders do not know how to fight tank battles in rugged terrains? Hahahahaha....

[ffmariners]

Originally Posted by Interactive

You're comparing our 'tank technology' of ww2/korea/vietnam to that of today, not really fair wouldn't you say?

If your dad was a tank commander why don't you enlighten us on what model he worked on, along with where he was stationed and took AIT?

American tank commanders do not know how to fight tank battles in rugged terrains? Hahahahaha....

tank mechanic, not commander. as in he dealt with all the **** that broke down, he did not lead them into battle.

I will ask him what models he worked on and what not when he gets home from New York.

And yes, they are not good for rugged terrain.

Also realize that rolling, open plains and fields are considered 'tank country.' Clear lines of sight and communication, very little for enemy armor to hide behind, and provides for the best speed and manuverability. Deserts are good for this as well

And North Korean tanks are smaller (based on the Abrams) with better maneuverability as well as speed in rugged terrain. They also use the Russian technology to use the tanks in amphibious situations (driving throuh deep rivers).

And in rugged terrain, the US Tanks (m1 abrams) and apc (m3 bradley) can fight very well defensively due to superior US technology. Their problem is the offensive.

It is documented that US Generals have warned against using US Tanks in mountaineous or rough terrain areas (like Vietnam, North Korea, Afghanistan) and Urban Warfare (like Somalia, Iraq, etc). The exception to using a tank in urban warfare is when there is a sufficient amount of ground troops as support...

And tell me, what war has the US demonstrated good strategy in using tanks in rough terrain? Rather than point out something you think I said is wrong and laughing, maybe we should bring up points of fact to counter?

[ffmariners]

Originally Posted by Interactive

"GW does it at his ranch, and I bet his wife ****s him there. So all of a sudden the President can not have sexual desire or time off?"

You really think that added much to your message? Not at all, if we were censoring everyone I would have banned you along time ago for having an opinion that disagreed with mine... Keep in mind too that this is a privately owned forum.

You can't please them all.

And just because it is private it makes censorship alright?

It's not like I am coming out and saying I hate ___ (insert race).

And considering a lot of people here like punk rock which is all about why censorship sucks and getting your voice out there, I would expect censorship the least here..

[Social_14_Enemy]

All i know is that Bush is in my town...I want him out...he's staying at some fancy resort thingy down the street from my bus stop. he says he wants to 'help' education?? yea right...he made my bus like 2 hours late to school because he was 'checking all the busses for explosevs.' how are 14 year olds gonna get their hands on an explosive that can blow up a 2-acer 7-story resort on the beach??....real helpful, Bushy...sorry...i just thought i'd share...you dont have to pay attention to this if you dont wanna.

[franscar]

So who's going to win then? I watched the debates and I thought they both sucked pretty much, I wouldn't have voted for either of them based on those displays. I think the way they're both whoring out their families to get them either into office or to keep the office is about as low as you can get, and I have a feeling whoever gets in is going to make it a looooooooooooong term of office for the Americans.

Still, means cheap shopping next time I pop over. Woo hoo.

[Aeryn]

I think this pretty much sums my feelings up:

[Thrice]

Originally Posted by Social_14_Enemy

All i know is that Bush is in my town...I want him out...he's staying at some fancy resort thingy down the street from my bus stop. he says he wants to 'help' education?? yea right...he made my bus like 2 hours late to school because he was 'checking all the busses for explosevs.' how are 14 year olds gonna get their hands on an explosive that can blow up a 2-acer 7-story resort on the beach??....real helpful, Bushy...sorry...i just thought i'd share...you dont have to pay attention to this if you dont wanna.

oh yeah i heard he aws in viena this week, i dunno where it is, but i guess it is kinda cllose to my house...

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by Social_14_Enemy
All i know is that Bush is in my town...I want him out...he's staying at some fancy resort thingy down the street from my bus stop. he says he wants to 'help' education?? yea right...he made my bus like 2 hours late to school because he was 'checking all the busses for explosevs.' how are 14 year olds gonna get their hands on an explosive that can blow up a 2-acer 7-story resort on the beach??....real helpful, Bushy...sorry...i just thought i'd share...you dont have to pay attention to this if you dont wanna.

O give me a break, Bush is the one that made all the buses get checked? You are an idiot if you think that. That is standard procedure for almost every where EVERY President goes to. The Secret Service does that, so that is just an immature idiot knowing nothing trying to blame Bush again for something that is not his blame.

[David Frost]

regardless of all that, he is still the worst president ever.

[IamAlejo]

Okay, good insight.