The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, rock, American, member)

ArtistInTheAmbulance · 01-07-2005, 04:45 PM

I live in england, I dont hate america in the least. Most people around me do though and they say its because america is too controlling and its dominating everywhere else.
So what if it does?! Theres gotta be somewhere that does, somewhere with the most money, somewhere that slightly more dominating. Somewheres gotta take the lead! Its not as if everyones gonna be equal. I dont think americans are doing anything wrong, its the people that have a problem with not living in the most powerful country. Its like theres all these kids in a playground complaining and moaning that theres someone taller than them or something...
*Sigh* Ok, rant over.

MUSE girl · 01-07-2005, 04:52 PM

it just seems nice there. and i just love the accent! it would be just a nice experience to get to no some new people and see if life is any different out there.

IamAlejo · 01-07-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance

I live in england, I dont hate america in the least. Most people around me do though and they say its because america is too controlling and its dominating everywhere else.
So what if it does?! Theres gotta be somewhere that does, somewhere with the most money, somewhere that slightly more dominating. Somewheres gotta take the lead! Its not as if everyones gonna be equal. I dont think americans are doing anything wrong, its the people that have a problem with not living in the most powerful country. Its like theres all these kids in a playground complaining and moaning that theres someone taller than them or something...
*Sigh* Ok, rant over.

Sad thing is....in the places we are so "demanding" we also give a TON of financial aid. I wish we weren't so demanding, but we you put that much economics and money into a place, you want (and deserve) to have a say in what is going on. I would be perfectly fine if we didn't go around having a say in much of what goes on in the world, but I would also want to stop much of the financial aid we give to these people who don't want us around their business.

anti_poptart_chik · 01-08-2005, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance

I live in england, I dont hate america in the least. Most people around me do though and they say its because america is too controlling and its dominating everywhere else.
So what if it does?! Theres gotta be somewhere that does, somewhere with the most money, somewhere that slightly more dominating. Somewheres gotta take the lead! Its not as if everyones gonna be equal. I dont think americans are doing anything wrong, its the people that have a problem with not living in the most powerful country. Its like theres all these kids in a playground complaining and moaning that theres someone taller than them or something...
*Sigh* Ok, rant over.

We dont hate America because they hav the power, its how they use the power. Just imagine how much good they could do if they used their money on aid and not on some f***** up war that is bull****. They put their noses into other peoples business. As westerners they shouldnt be trying to convert everyone to our culture, their so bigoted they dont realise that other countries hav their own beliefs and practices. When it comes down to it really unless finishing WW11 what has America done for the world. Alot of innocent people got killed in Nam and Korea, wat for communism still had a stronghold in those countries it was just a waste lol. And now wat they hav brought obesity to the world with the giant corporations like Maccas. Neways thats just my opinion so yeh ill stop now.

franscar · 01-08-2005, 12:46 PM

"You know all the money we spend on the military every year-Trillions of dollars? Instead, if we use this money to feed and clothe the poor of this world, which it would do many times over, then we can explore space, inner and outer, together, as one race."

Bill Hicks, might have been an overly-angry, swearing man, but he had the right idea.

ArtistInTheAmbulance · 01-08-2005, 01:13 PM

Yeah thats a really good point, I know. Its just that the people in charge of the money know that there are still gonna be a load of people who hate america, and some who will act on that. If they choose to use the money for protecting their country instead of saving the rest of the world, that's their decision. I dont blame the whole of america for the way its run.

riseagainstrocks · 01-08-2005, 01:18 PM

I have absolutley no energy to read all 100+ post so I'll just state my case.

I right of the proverbial spectrum. I am very right wing on some issues (such as *** marrige) and very liberal about some issues (death penalty). I find it amusing however that since America is the wealthiest (percentage wise) and most powerful (thats uncontestable) country in the world other nations feel the need to judge us. However when something bad happens everyone turns on us to do something about it.

People hate America because we don't really care (as a whole) what others think of us. We're the kid on the playground who gets made fun of but brushes it off. Other countries can't stand the fact that we're better than they are.

People hate America because of our freedom. They hate that things like pornography are legal (i'm refering to the radical muslims here). They hate that we can buy whatever the hell we want. That we can choose a religion, a sexaul orientation, a gender, a partner, friends, social groups, whatever we want to.

People hate America because we are one of the few countries that still has a conservative majority. Conservatism isn't evil like many people think it is. It is simply the belief that life should be led guided by a supreme being. I'm not saying that all republicans are christians, muslims, etc. or that all liberals are not christians, jews, muslims, etc. I'm saying that the majority of the time religion plays a big part (if not the biggest part) in deciding what you stand for.

People think Bush stole the election in 2000 and in 20004 and suceeded. I'm not a huge Bush fan. I am howevera supporter of the majority of his policies. I think the Iraq war is not a mistake. Time will prove it the right thing to have done and support is needed instead of saying that it was wrong with no real proof or saying that it could have been done better. It could have been, but it wasn't so support is needed to make it work the way it was done.

I am against *** marrige for one reason. My faith teaches that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural. I am not a *** hater at all though. My faith also teaches love the sinner hate the sin. I am friends with several *** kids at my school and have helped out with the GSA at my school.

I could type a whole lot more but I'm really tired and have a splitting headache so I'll leave you guys with this.

riseagainstrocks · 01-08-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by anti_poptart_chik

We dont hate America because they hav the power, its how they use the power. Just imagine how much good they could do if they used their money on aid and not on some f***** up war that is bull****. They put their noses into other peoples business. As westerners they shouldnt be trying to convert everyone to our culture, their so bigoted they dont realise that other countries hav their own beliefs and practices. When it comes down to it really unless finishing WW11 what has America done for the world. Alot of innocent people got killed in Nam and Korea, wat for communism still had a stronghold in those countries it was just a waste lol. And now wat they hav brought obesity to the world with the giant corporations like Maccas. Neways thats just my opinion so yeh ill stop now.

Killing innocents in Nam and Korea! Are you joking? WE SAVED COUNTLESS LIVES BY PREVENTING GENOCIDE! Korea we succeeded and Vietnam we failed due to a lack of home support.

We're not trying to convert people to our culture. People are drifting to it cause its better. We have more money, more power, more commerce, more everything. Why wouldn't you want to better yourself? To get smarter? Richer? Stronger? If you are rejecting those things, your either crazy or a monk.

hookers with machineguns · 01-08-2005, 01:33 PM

^I want to comment that in general people are so biased to their religious and political views that they cannot look at the issues at hand, instead make a decision about an issue without looking at any of the facts. Hopefully, you are not doing that.
"People hate America because of our freedom" this quote seems to be straight from GWB's mouth. I don't agree with that assessment. I don't think "radicals" is the proper term in this case. People who kill in the name of allah, yes that is radical. But, hating americans for our lack of moral decency is understandable in my book (remember, we're talking two totally different cultures here- if anything, this is why people hate americans- for our lack of understanding of other's cultural and social backgrounds)
You also cannot say we're "better than they are", because that is one of the reasons stated for hating americans: arrogance.
Im not gonna comment too much on the Iraq war, but I will say that it was certainly not the top priority in the war on terrorism, but our occupation there made it a top priority. What happened to Afghanistan and the Pakistan border?
Also, you did not have to explain your disapproval for G-A-Y marriage, because nearly (if not all) opponents of it site religious reasons. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I don't think this is a political issue. My personal opinion: I don't think heterosexuals should be telling homosexuals how to live.
These are great topics btw. I love discussing this sh*t

IamAlejo · 01-08-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by anti_poptart_chik

We dont hate America because they hav the power, its how they use the power. Just imagine how much good they could do if they used their money on aid and not on some f***** up war that is bull****. They put their noses into other peoples business. As westerners they shouldnt be trying to convert everyone to our culture, their so bigoted they dont realise that other countries hav their own beliefs and practices. When it comes down to it really unless finishing WW11 what has America done for the world. Alot of innocent people got killed in Nam and Korea, wat for communism still had a stronghold in those countries it was just a waste lol. And now wat they hav brought obesity to the world with the giant corporations like Maccas. Neways thats just my opinion so yeh ill stop now.

Question. You want us to provide the world with aid...yet you don't want us to have our nose in other peoples' business? So what are you trying to say...we just throw money out to countries and say do what you want with it? With all of the financial aid we give, we have and DESERVE the right to have our nose in the business of those who receive the money. We brought obesity to the world? Interesting, never heard that one before. Or is it just people's inability to have some self control? I guess I'm lucky that I'm from the US and no one has "given" me obesity yet.

Sad thing is...I read this, and look at the grammar, and realize it's probably from a 13 year old American. BTW, when did World War 11 happen? I must have missed 3-10.

01-07-2005, 04:45 PM	#371 (permalink)
ArtistInTheAmbulance enchanted. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cornwailles, angleterre. Posts: 2,537	I live in england, I dont hate america in the least. Most people around me do though and they say its because america is too controlling and its dominating everywhere else. So what if it does?! Theres gotta be somewhere that does, somewhere with the most money, somewhere that slightly more dominating. Somewheres gotta take the lead! Its not as if everyones gonna be equal. I dont think americans are doing anything wrong, its the people that have a problem with not living in the most powerful country. Its like theres all these kids in a playground complaining and moaning that theres someone taller than them or something... Sigh Ok, rant over. __________________ shake your wings like theyre laced with sound!

01-07-2005, 04:52 PM	#372 (permalink)
MUSE girl Eat my ****. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Merry old England, Forest Of Dean Posts: 104	it just seems nice there. and i just love the accent! it would be just a nice experience to get to no some new people and see if life is any different out there. __________________ Just when you thourght things couldnt get much worse, just when you thourght things were going to get better...... it all returns with reinforcments.

01-08-2005, 01:13 PM	#376 (permalink)
ArtistInTheAmbulance enchanted. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cornwailles, angleterre. Posts: 2,537	Yeah thats a really good point, I know. Its just that the people in charge of the money know that there are still gonna be a load of people who hate america, and some who will act on that. If they choose to use the money for protecting their country instead of saving the rest of the world, that's their decision. I dont blame the whole of america for the way its run. __________________ shake your wings like theyre laced with sound!

01-08-2005, 01:18 PM	#377 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	I have absolutley no energy to read all 100+ post so I'll just state my case. I right of the proverbial spectrum. I am very right wing on some issues (such as * marrige) and very liberal about some issues (death penalty). I find it amusing however that since America is the wealthiest (percentage wise) and most powerful (thats uncontestable) country in the world other nations feel the need to judge us. However when something bad happens everyone turns on us to do something about it. People hate America because we don't really care (as a whole) what others think of us. We're the kid on the playground who gets made fun of but brushes it off. Other countries can't stand the fact that we're better than they are. People hate America because of our freedom. They hate that things like pornography are legal (i'm refering to the radical muslims here). They hate that we can buy whatever the hell we want. That we can choose a religion, a sexaul orientation, a gender, a partner, friends, social groups, whatever we want to. People hate America because we are one of the few countries that still has a conservative majority. Conservatism isn't evil like many people think it is. It is simply the belief that life should be led guided by a supreme being. I'm not saying that all republicans are christians, muslims, etc. or that all liberals are not christians, jews, muslims, etc. I'm saying that the majority of the time religion plays a big part (if not the biggest part) in deciding what you stand for. People think Bush stole the election in 2000 and in 20004 and suceeded. I'm not a huge Bush fan. I am howevera supporter of the majority of his policies. I think the Iraq war is not a mistake. Time will prove it the right thing to have done and support is needed instead of saying that it was wrong with no real proof or saying that it could have been done better. It could have been, but it wasn't so support is needed to make it work the way it was done. I am against * marrige for one reason. My faith teaches that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural. I am not a * hater at all though. My faith also teaches love the sinner hate the sin. I am friends with several * kids at my school and have helped out with the GSA at my school. I could type a whole lot more but I'm really tired and have a splitting headache so I'll leave you guys with this. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

01-08-2005, 01:33 PM	#379 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	^I want to comment that in general people are so biased to their religious and political views that they cannot look at the issues at hand, instead make a decision about an issue without looking at any of the facts. Hopefully, you are not doing that. "People hate America because of our freedom" this quote seems to be straight from GWB's mouth. I don't agree with that assessment. I don't think "radicals" is the proper term in this case. People who kill in the name of allah, yes that is radical. But, hating americans for our lack of moral decency is understandable in my book (remember, we're talking two totally different cultures here- if anything, this is why people hate americans- for our lack of understanding of other's cultural and social backgrounds) You also cannot say we're "better than they are", because that is one of the reasons stated for hating americans: arrogance. Im not gonna comment too much on the Iraq war, but I will say that it was certainly not the top priority in the war on terrorism, but our occupation there made it a top priority. What happened to Afghanistan and the Pakistan border? Also, you did not have to explain your disapproval for G-A-Y marriage, because nearly (if not all) opponents of it site religious reasons. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I don't think this is a political issue. My personal opinion: I don't think heterosexuals should be telling homosexuals how to live. These are great topics btw. I love discussing this sht __________________ LASTFM*

01-08-2005, 12:46 PM	#375 (permalink)
franscar Honky Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 665	"You know all the money we spend on the military every year-Trillions of dollars? Instead, if we use this money to feed and clothe the poor of this world, which it would do many times over, then we can explore space, inner and outer, together, as one race." Bill Hicks, might have been an overly-angry, swearing man, but he had the right idea.