The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, Europe, American, show)

The Ten Thousandth Fist · 06-04-2006, 10:51 PM

I'm a creationist, personally. But here is my argument.

Natural selection? Makes perfect sense, because it does actually happen. The best suited for an environment will survive. We see that happen with everything from viruses to vultures. Darwin knew what he was talking about when he wrote that. I think, too, that living things adapt to their environments to best survive, so in that regard, Darwin is also correct.

However. The biggest thing that puts up red flags in my mind is this. If the Big Bang actually happened, then how did everything fall into alignment so perfectly? It's been postulated, tested and theorized that had our Earth been only a few miles closer to, or farther from, the sun, the planet would have been too harsh a climate for us to survive.

It also seems like DNA is a hot topic in this thread. How, by simple chance (read: Big Bang), would so many trillions upon trillions of proteins, amino acids, cells, etc., have fit together perfectly in order to create creatures complex enough to evolve? For example, the human eye. Its mechanism for sight is amazingly complex. Same thing with ears, and that doesn't even apply to just humans' ears.

Yes, the Bible was written by mortal men. Yes, it's definitely possible that none of it was written by Jesus Christ. Yes, it does seem ridiculous that a man was swallowed by a big fish (was never indicated that it was a whale in the Bible) and survived for several days. Yes, it does seem weird that a woman was shaped from a man's rib.

But who's to say that what mortal men wrote isn't true? Especially in a society where honesty, honor and correctness were almost the difference between life and death? Yeah, being swallowed by a big fish and surviving for a few days seems impossible now. But back then, who knows? We don't. Same with woman being shaped from a man's rib. By my interpretation, when God shaped woman from Adam's rib, it meant that the rib was the basic shape - a curvier, less rough outline than that of a male.

Naturally, the Bible is open to interpretation. But that by no means allows people to fully debunk it. After all, isn't that where societies laid the foundation for laws? The bringing down of the Commandments? Or was that just a myth too?

holdfasthope · 06-05-2006, 12:26 AM

man, i read up to about page 8, and got sick of reading this. I've never seen such ignorence such as what i just read by Fal and bungalow.

The big Bang theory is already on the downfall, scientists have discovered that it just, to put it simply, has to many holes. They are, and have been looking for alternative theories to the origion of us, the universe etc. for the last 10 years. To say it is anything more than a very loose theory is false.

Evolution- they have NEVER found any transitional fossils, not one. Please, for the sake of anyone who comes here (as i did) hoping to find some "logical" (as you, Fal, put it) arguments, please so some research before you blindly argue under a cloth of ignorence.

For who ever said the bible is full of bull **** (cant remember who it was). Please, dont bother posting in another thread that requires knowledge above that of a lemon.

I am not christian, but I know the bible has some pretty sweet stuff in it. Whether your an atheist (the happy bunch that you are) or what ever, you'd be a fool not to admit that.
As i said im not christian, but i seek for something more than us being merely carbon and chemicals. And ive seen some things in the church, that the majority of you would never believe in a heart beat unless you saw it for yourself, so when i say im not christian, i believe in their god, i am just yet to give my life to christ.

that is all.

for those that want some info on creationism or intellegent design, i cool starting point is here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/

Enjoy.

~~bungalow~~ · 06-05-2006, 12:28 AM

~~bungalow~~ · 06-05-2006, 12:30 AM

That is the evoltion of a horses foot.
Is that guess work?

You must have gone to a Christian School to have it pounded into your brain that evolutionary fossils have never been found. In fact, I'm going to come right out and call you a f*cking idiot for saying that. You, my friend, need to research what you say before you walk into this thread and make blind, and completly false statements.

holdfasthope · 06-05-2006, 12:31 AM

nice rebuttal

holdfasthope · 06-05-2006, 12:31 AM

/sarcasm

~~bungalow~~ · 06-05-2006, 12:36 AM

Yeah, nice rebuttal on your part too.

holdfasthope · 06-05-2006, 12:42 AM

http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...1/i3/horse.asp

Barnard17 · 06-05-2006, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holdfasthope

http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...1/i3/horse.asp

That website is like a Republican convention. They strip things down to the most minimal facts, and then take them off in nonsensical directions. On the plus side, saying "you're ignorant" is a much funnier rebuttal than saying "you hate America".

~~bungalow~~ · 06-05-2006, 12:44 AM

Your going to rebutt my answer using a website upheld by people brainwashed by a jealousy diety?

06-04-2006, 10:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
The Ten Thousandth Fist Music Taste is Subjective Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hell if I know. Posts: 78	I'm a creationist, personally. But here is my argument. Natural selection? Makes perfect sense, because it does actually happen. The best suited for an environment will survive. We see that happen with everything from viruses to vultures. Darwin knew what he was talking about when he wrote that. I think, too, that living things adapt to their environments to best survive, so in that regard, Darwin is also correct. However. The biggest thing that puts up red flags in my mind is this. If the Big Bang actually happened, then how did everything fall into alignment so perfectly? It's been postulated, tested and theorized that had our Earth been only a few miles closer to, or farther from, the sun, the planet would have been too harsh a climate for us to survive. It also seems like DNA is a hot topic in this thread. How, by simple chance (read: Big Bang), would so many trillions upon trillions of proteins, amino acids, cells, etc., have fit together perfectly in order to create creatures complex enough to evolve? For example, the human eye. Its mechanism for sight is amazingly complex. Same thing with ears, and that doesn't even apply to just humans' ears. Yes, the Bible was written by mortal men. Yes, it's definitely possible that none of it was written by Jesus Christ. Yes, it does seem ridiculous that a man was swallowed by a big fish (was never indicated that it was a whale in the Bible) and survived for several days. Yes, it does seem weird that a woman was shaped from a man's rib. But who's to say that what mortal men wrote isn't true? Especially in a society where honesty, honor and correctness were almost the difference between life and death? Yeah, being swallowed by a big fish and surviving for a few days seems impossible now. But back then, who knows? We don't. Same with woman being shaped from a man's rib. By my interpretation, when God shaped woman from Adam's rib, it meant that the rib was the basic shape - a curvier, less rough outline than that of a male. Naturally, the Bible is open to interpretation. But that by no means allows people to fully debunk it. After all, isn't that where societies laid the foundation for laws? The bringing down of the Commandments? Or was that just a myth too? __________________ "There was nothing about her that a vasectomy of the vocal cords wouldn't fix."

06-05-2006, 12:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
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06-05-2006, 12:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
~~bungalow~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hot-lanta Posts: 3,061	That is the evoltion of a horses foot. Is that guess work? You must have gone to a Christian School to have it pounded into your brain that evolutionary fossils have never been found. In fact, I'm going to come right out and call you a f*cking idiot for saying that. You, my friend, need to research what you say before you walk into this thread and make blind, and completly false statements.

06-05-2006, 12:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
~~bungalow~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hot-lanta Posts: 3,061	Yeah, nice rebuttal on your part too.

06-05-2006, 12:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
~~bungalow~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hot-lanta Posts: 3,061	Your going to rebutt my answer using a website upheld by people brainwashed by a jealousy diety?