The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, effects, quote, Lute)

[madeinNY]

If the person(s) on death row's crimes are really so bad, like, IE killing a person without reasonable grounds (IE, defence) then, they should be executed. But...I don't believe a drug dealer should be executed, not for smuggling, anyway. That was absurd, about the drug dealer.

There is a lupole....if the person is truely, heartly, sorry...like Tookie, they should be taken off death row and just left in jail.

Just MHO.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by cheeseman

Yes! Yes I could.
I'd like nothing more than to be the last face these c*nts see before they dangle off a short rope

well my man, i think you're a heartless monster then and no better than those scumbags you keep speaking of, maybe we should dispose of you too.....

[half_baked87]

Originally Posted by cheeseman

You should cange your name to halfwit87.You didn't read that properly at all!
Cats rape one another as do dogs, they are not people are they? To you they might be ,but not me.

So you would sooner have people in prison, putting ever increasing strain on a countries economy while they are (sometimes) better off e.g three meals a day and a roof over their heads.

A lot who go inside will reoffend so by ridding society of these leeches the cycle can be stopped

what the **** are you talkinga bout? animals rape each other? they don't have to cognitive capacity to understand what rape is! then them its all hormones, jesus. and no they aren't people, i never said they were. i said humans are animals. and yeah, i would rather have people in prison, im willing to pay the extra few tax dollars to rehabilitate my fellow citizens, and if they reoffend, then dont let them out for a very, very long time. and i was referring to drug traffickers for the most part, and don't give me that crap if you kill them its going to stop anything. when you kill one theres going to be 5 more to take his place. i think what we need is less bull**** minimum sentences for marijuana and the like, its daily use really is harmless. look at me, im in college, excelling actually, i dont want to become a terrorist, and im pretty sure i've never accidently killed anyone while high. meanwhile alcohol has killed thousands, same with tobacco. but the governments still allowed to take their slice of that. theres recreational drugs, then theres problem drugs. it is a very fine line i know, but is it so bad to let people sit in prison. if we want to reduce the amount of money we spend of them, how about reducing the number of people in there for crimes that arent worthy of serious jailtime.

Originally Posted by Merkaba

Man, I've read some shit in my lifetime. That came down the road of craptacular, turned right at retard's roundabout and went up the road to nowhere.

I see your trying to say the death penalty isn't just but what a meal you've made of it. People need to be punished. While no one person should dictate another persons life, it sure as hell sends a strong message out. It's like parenting. If you buy your kids cellphones and cook them their favourite dinners evernight, they're sooner or later going to realise they can have it their way all the time. If you don't lay down the law, people are just going to capitilise on it. It's human nature to try and beat the system. So when you've got smugglers and trafficers out there, they need to know the risks will be fatal, so best play hardball right?

As cheeseman said, you have to think about the flow on effects. They are always worse than the actual crime. And did you just say your kids would be the idiots? If you had a daughter and she was seduced and raped you would call it her fault for having a vagina?

Christ man wake up and smell the flowers. I don't like to see people dying as much as the next, and even for the smallest of offences by comparrison, but think about it...If that guy was a major player in a drug ring when a deal goes bad, there would be more then one person dying wouldn't there. I'm not saying it would have happened, but if it had, killing the guy now as a warning and punishment, would be more effective then letting it boil over where the government has no control.

It's all good and bad. Positive and negative lights to look at it from. I say no to the killings for such and such, but say yes for such and such also.

well you pretty much said nothing. you contradicted yourself. "while no one should dictate another persons life, it does send out a strong message?? well if someone is going to die, then someone has to make the call don't they. and for gods sake i was talking about drugs, its not a womans fault if she gets raped, rape is a sickening crime and rapists should be locked up. for a long time. but if my kids did get a hold of drugs, whatever they may be, i would blame them and myself, and i'd blame them because i'd like to think that my kids wouldnt be so ignorant. and if not, then its my fault for not getting through to them. besides i beleive when you reach a certain age, 16 or so, that you can make you're own descisions in life. personal choice, if my kid chooses to be a drug addict, im going to choose to send his ass packing to rehab. and he wasn't a major player. he was a street dealer, no "major player" gets busted with just one pound on them, if he had a few dozen or more then we'll talk about major player. it just happens he got busted in the wrong country. and did you ever think about him? for all you know he could be selling that **** to put food on the table for his family

[half_baked87]

Originally Posted by Spikey

now you tell me Adidass what drug runner or worker has not killed? Would you want your kids in the same neighbourhood? It is MY FAULT if my kids get the drugs..It is MY FAULT if that drug worker is our neighbourhood and I do nothing about it. And I will make it MY RESPONSIBLITLY to do away with him.

and yes, every drug runner has killed someone, just for fun, don't be so ****ing ignorant. its a stereotype. im willing to bet that half of them have never seen a gun, let alone killed someone. and no its not you're responsibility to "Do away" with anyone. its no ones responsibility because who can say they have the power of GAWD to make that final judgement? its barbaric and outdated, and we need to move onto better solutions. if the death penalty works oh so well and it's been used since the beginning of civiliation, how come we don't see the abolishment of crimes? how come we dont even see a major decrease in crime? because it doesnt solve ****. props to adidass for having some common sense.

[Spikey]

Originally Posted by half_baked87

and yes, every drug runner has killed someone, just for fun, don't be so ****ing ignorant. its a stereotype. im willing to bet that half of them have never seen a gun, let alone killed someone. and no its not you're responsibility to "Do away" with anyone. its no ones responsibility because who can say they have the power of GAWD to make that final judgement? its barbaric and outdated, and we need to move onto better solutions. if the death penalty works oh so well and it's been used since the beginning of civiliation, how come we don't see the abolishment of crimes? how come we dont even see a major decrease in crime? because it doesnt solve ****. props to adidass for having some common sense.

Ok lets say we are animals...Cavemen to survive had to kill, for food etc. If they met someone they didn't like,..DEAD! Now we live in modern times..I do not believe in killing a person and I think it's awful but if someone raped your kids what would you do?

[half_baked87]

what does the caveman thing have to do with anything? we dont need to euthanize other humans because we're barbaric cavemen, we do it out of a biblical need for justice. if someone raped my kids he's seriously ****ed in the head and i'd make sure he got locked up and got what was coming to him on the prison floor, they aren't too fond of rapists. but i certainly wouldnt kill him.

[cardboard adolescent]

To me, the death penalty is just the epitome of hypocrisy. We're going to punish someone for killing by... killing? It's completely irrational. It only promotes a certain dogma that killing is alright if the offender has gone against your moral views.

As for the drug dealer stuff, drugs and violence would not be linked at all if drugs were legalized, a drug dealer would just be another pharmacist. It would leave all the responsibility of drugs (like not killing yourself) in the hands of the user, where it should be.

[Spikey]

There are both sides to this argument. I agree with everything both sides are saying and now I'm confused..

[Merkaba]

Originally Posted by adidasss

i agree with half_baked, nothing, absolutely nothing justifies a death penalty, besides, there are worse things you could do to a man than killing him, personally, i think locking someone in a 2 by 2 cell for the rest of their lives is far worse. and take into consideration that sometimes, people are wrongly accused, for argument sake, let's imagine you were that australian guy and let's say those drugs were planted on you, how would you feel? you're going to die and you had nothing to do with it. lovely jubbly ey? mistakes are bound to happen. and half_baked was only talking about drug abuse, you're damn right i would blame my kids for buying the drugs, unlike rape and other crimes, i'ts a personal choice, personally, i would never blame the drug dealer, it's either your fault for not educating your kids or your kids fault for being stupid dumbasses. and you don't seriously believe that the death penalty serves as a deterrent? people commit murder in a abnormal state of conciousness, you don't seriously believe they stop and think about how they're going to be punished for killing someone. and i would really like to know cheeseman, could you be the one doing the executing?

The guy knew the laws though, he knew he was in danger yet he played the game. And he was charged with trafficing which is more comprehensive then just being caught in possession. And kids are kids. Yes it is their choice but I believe there is some form of seduction into getting them to buy off a complete stranger in the first place. It doesn't matter how pc it is that the kids are in the wrong for buying drugs, it's still morally wrong to have some fuck out on the street selling dangerous stuff, I don't care how dumb the kids are. I said at the bottom of my post I'm pratically sitting on the fence with reasons for and against the penalty, but I find arguing for it intriguing. Thats probably why it sounds like a contradiction as I have pro's and con's for eather way half-balked^^^.

I sort of do believe it is a deterant. Getting locked up for a few years or a major fine is nothing drug money probably couldn't fix. In a way you have to hit them where it hurts, and thats in numbers. I do agree with you on things like rapists and such. There is far worse scum than druggies or anything like that. It is a corrupt world for not keeping things equal.

The part about killing each other I got a little lost in Adidasss...Was it in referance to where I say something about a drug deal going wrong?

[right-track]

My opinion varies depending on the crime, as to whether or not the death penalty is an appropriate punishment.

Drug trafficking - no.
Murder - no.
Terrorism - no.
Child killers - yes.

However, to execute 10 child killers would never compensate for taking the life of one innocent man.
Even with DNA a guilty verdict has proved to be a wrong verdict.