The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, American, quote, 1973)

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by ffmariners

Oh and BTW, as governor Bush used tax money to build a new stadium for the Rangers. They all do the same thing, your resistance is futile.


Read:

"George W and the Texas Rangers Stadium managers... The group coveted land adjacent to the plot for the stadium. To get the property on the very cheap, a government entity called "the Arlington Sports Faclilties Development Authority" was formed and granted the power of emminent domain. George W and company made a low ball bid for the property (less than one third of fair market value). When the property owners rejected the bid, GWB's group had the ASFDA condemn the property. GW's group then managed to take the private land at 1/7 of its market value. Decent people try to do what is right. Blue Blood elitists such as GW Bush endeavor to do what they can get away with."

"To fund the Texas Rangers stadium, a 1/2 cent sales tax increase was passed. True it was a measure voted on. However, George and the managers threatened to take the team away without the sales tax increase. George W and the wealthy managers of the Rangers could easily have built the stadium without the sales tax increase and still made a huge profit but they would have made a smaller huge profit. So the millions of dollars taken in from the people did not go to fund child education, health or even roads. 15 million of it did find its way into George W Bush's pocket."

Once again, you sir, are truly making a horrible argument. Again, living next to Norfolk we are trying to get the Expos. Wanna guess how we are gonna build a stadium? If you haven't understood yet, we are going to have a tax increase. When your state/area is getting a team, that is how it is funded. The government helps pay for these teams because they bring revenue to the area. That is one of the worst arguments you have made so far. You had me going for a little bit, but the last two were weak.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by ffmariners

sorry didnt know infidelity was different back then

I did not know it was a presidential quality then

and Clinton is smart enough to have not lied, he defined the words how he saw them to mean..

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

How the **** is that not a lie? You are worse than he is for actually believing that. And the early 1800's people had multiple wifes, and I doubt there were many laws on how things went wifes etc. And did he lie under oath about it?

[ffmariners]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Once again, you sir, are truly making a horrible argument. Again, living next to Norfolk we are trying to get the Expos. Wanna guess how we are gonna build a stadium? If you haven't understood yet, we are going to have a tax increase. When your state/area is getting a team, that is how it is funded. The government helps pay for these teams because they bring revenue to the area. That is one of the worst arguments you have made so far. You had me going for a little bit, but the last two were weak.

They already had the team. They were threatening to leave after Bush acquired the land in a cheap manner by manipulating the system. Do you not think the fact that he sold off his share of the Rangers for $14 million after the stadium was built had anything to do with it?

And how can you call that argument weak when you used it against Clinton? All I'm saying is everything you bring up has been a double sided sword. Do not hate another President for what he does when the one you support does the same thing, or worse.


You can call arguments weak, but people reading this see the truth. Until you can once disprove a thing I said with an intelligent argument, maybe you should stop calling MY arguments weak, thanks.


edit: and stop trying to act like you Norfolk folk are so smart, I mean, you are trying to get the Expos? haha

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by ffmariners

And how can you call that argument weak when you used it against Clinton? All I'm saying is everything you bring up has been a double sided sword. Do not hate another President for what he does when the one you support does the same thing, or worse.


You can call arguments weak, but people reading this see the truth. Until you can once disprove a thing I said with an intelligent argument, maybe you should stop calling MY arguments weak, thanks.


edit: and stop trying to act like you Norfolk folk are so smart, I mean, you are trying to get the Expos? haha

Okay, let me say this again. And since Norfolk people are dumb (one more personal attack and you are gone) I'll use any town as an example. When a team is building a new stadium, (as they were doing) the government will pay for a portion of the stadium. Teams will threaten to move if they don't get the support from the government financing. Any team would do the same thing. Clinton funded his wife's business, how are you comparing the two?

[ffmariners]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Okay, let me say this again. And since Norfolk people are dumb (one more personal attack and you are gone) I'll use any town as an example. When a team is building a new stadium, (as they were doing) the government will pay for a portion of the stadium. Teams will threaten to move if they don't get the support from the government financing. Any team would do the same thing. Clinton funded his wife's business, how are you comparing the two?

Actually I didnt say you were dumb. NOT a personal attack. I said don't glorify Norfolk, it is only the Expos.

And NO teams do not threaten to move, the yankees didnt, the mets didnt, the orioles didnt (just a few years ago)... most teams do not act like that.

and you see it is different when a community says "we want to build you a new stadium as appreciation" and the governor says "we want this sales tax increase to cover the expense of building a stadium for the team which I have a large share of money in, which I will sell as soon as the stadium is done"

is this really hard to understand? Bush used tax money for his business venture and made $14 million by doing it. Clinton funneled money into his wifes business, can you come up with substantial proof, or even something saying he went as far as raising the sales tax to do this? No, because he did not. GW did it on a large scale, yet you think it was alright... oooooooook then. Blind faith in him will get you nowhere.

Take a look at this article, his own aides do not trust him anymore..
here...

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by ffmariners

Actually I didnt say you were dumb. NOT a personal attack. I said don't glorify Norfolk, it is only the Expos.

And NO teams do not threaten to move, the yankees didnt, the mets didnt, the orioles didnt (just a few years ago)... most teams do not act like that.

and you see it is different when a community says "we want to build you a new stadium as appreciation" and the governor says "we want this sales tax increase to cover the expense of building a stadium for the team which I have a large share of money in, which I will sell as soon as the stadium is done"

is this really hard to understand? Bush used tax money for his business venture and made $14 million by doing it. Clinton funneled money into his wifes business, can you come up with substantial proof, or even something saying he went as far as raising the sales tax to do this? No, because he did not. GW did it on a large scale, yet you think it was alright... oooooooook then. Blind faith in him will get you nowhere.

Take a look at this article, his own aides do not trust him anymore..
here...

As your evidence, you give a link to a known Democratic viewed site. Good choice. And yes, teams to threaten to move if they are not given what they want. Teams move all the time. You act like that is a rare instance. The fact is that he sold his part of the Rangers because it would have been impossible for him to be President and have ownership of a MLB franchise at the same time. Most people who own sports franchises make money. That's the whole idea of owning them. And I don't care what you think of Norfolk or the jokes of the people, because Norfolk is where I'm from, and what I know most about. So I used it as an example.

[IamAlejo]

...But I suppose you are voting for this man?

http://swiftvets.com

[ffmariners]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

As your evidence, you give a link to a known Democratic viewed site. Good choice. And yes, teams to threaten to move if they are not given what they want. Teams move all the time. You act like that is a rare instance. The fact is that he sold his part of the Rangers because it would have been impossible for him to be President and have ownership of a MLB franchise at the same time. Most people who own sports franchises make money. That's the whole idea of owning them. And I don't care what you think of Norfolk or the jokes of the people, because Norfolk is where I'm from, and what I know most about. So I used it as an example.

he sold it long before he was becoming president. you refuse to believe he used tax dollars to further his investment. *shakes head*

and no, I am not voting for "that man"

and it can be a liberal source, but it has quotes from GW aides, so its hard to skew that

[IamAlejo]

Anonymous aides....interesting.

[ffmariners]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Anonymous aides....interesting.

how so? would you risk your high paying job to speak out against the president?

I wouldn't, so therefore I would speak anonymously.

The Watergate whistleblowers were anonymous. Why does anonymous appear to be synonymous with fake in your brain?