The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (title, quote, hands)

[swim]

Well we shouldn't try to go solve everybody else's problems. It isn't our place. Doesn't anyone in the government read comic books? Usually by trying to help someone who wasn't looking for it creates an enemy you didn't plan on.

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

Well we shouldn't try to go solve everybody else's problems. It isn't our place. Doesn't anyone in the government read comic books? Usually by trying to help someone who wasn't looking for it creates an enemy you didn't plan on.

I don't think the U.S. or the U.K./allies, have much of a choice really.
After all, if we don't control things for our own benefit, (forget all the other bullshit they tell you) then someone else will.
Which isn't good for our future economy, or security.

And forget about Korea, it's just another smokescreen. Same as WMD was for Iraq.
Iran will be next and for the same nuclear excuse as Korea, only difference is, Iran have oil and Korea have nothing we need.

Make a fuss about Korea, then whack Iran. Classic.

Don't get me wrong, I actually think it's the right thing to do.
Like I said, if we don't someone else will. I just can't stand all the usual bullshit reasons they wheel out everytime.

[tdoc210]

lets play toss the nuclear warhead lol

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To you...to me...to you...to me...

Dear God you scare me.

[[MERIT]]

im a conservative (hate to use the word "republican"...its so 1864) and i try to keep an open mind. for the most part i do support Bush, but when he fux up i call it. like trying to outsource our port securit to a Dubai company was absurd. i think he may still have some of that coke from the 70's in his system

[Raine]

Originally Posted by oojay

im a conservative (hate to use the word "republican"...its so 1864) and i try to keep an open mind. for the most part i do support Bush, but when he fux up i call it. like trying to outsource our port securit to a Dubai company was absurd. i think he may still have some of that coke from the 70's in his system

it feels like he's abusing his powers.

[[MERIT]]

how so?

[Raine]

The patriot Act for one thing. It's like he's going through the constitution and trying to find more laws and rights of ours to violate.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

A bit slow to notice this, but just to point out, whether or not its relevant to your argument, that North Korea and Iran are also part of the UN. As far as I know, every country apart from Vatican City, Western Sahara and Palestine or something like that (and maybe some other random African country) are members of the UN. So your idea that a country being part of the UN means it must be acting in the benefit of 'the world' wouldn't be consistent with your idea that Iran sponsoring terrorism and North Korea having nuclear capabilites were not benefitting the world.

Regardless, the people who run the UN and many other countries have threatened to act out if NK continue making nukes, so you don't have to make it out like it was all our idea.

Originally Posted by Raine

it feels like he's abusing his powers.

Many world leaders abuse their powers, nothing new.

Not that it makes an excuse for Bush, whom I have trust issues with, he's not very good with speechs (where's slick willy when you need em? ) and overall he seems to always have an agenda about something, especially Iraq... But I don't like it when people demonize him as an evil whoremonger and compare him to Hitler, I don't think he's that way, but I do agree, he is pretty dumb a lot of times, and he's known for carrying things out before even considering the validity of his sources, hence Iraq.

And I think Bush's decision to invade Iraq has more to do with his Intelligence than him having some sinister plan to have all the Oil in the world or something stupid like that.

However, I think Cheney and Rummys intentions may have been different, I'm paticularlly suspicious of Cheney, you know, because of the whole Halliburton thing.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Regardless, the people who run the UN and many other countries have threatened to act out if NK continue making nukes, so you don't have to make it out like it was all our idea.

thats exactly what i was trying to convey earlier to *insert british names here.* but the UN making threats is quite comical. they dont even have an army to enforce their sanctions.