The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (rock, member, quote, hands)

Thrice · 10-06-2005, 09:36 PM

Religion, No offense but to myself religion is a joke. I honestly believe the Bible is more of a book of rules so people wouldnt be completely retarded(sinful). They are all common laws. I believe in my own made up theories and such. Somewhat based on karma. That man will get what he deserves in the long run, which somewhat is based on the christian faith of heaven and hell. I dont understand how you can jack up your whole life knowing the christian consequences of life after death, but then become 'saved' and repent of your sins and make it into the greater half of death. I was once bapstised into christianity when i was young, but as i grew older i began asking questions that contradicted the Bible, the pastors and such could not answer my questions, and just told me to have faith, which i found somewhat bogus. I could go on, and on, but ill save your eyes.

Thrice · 10-06-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

You just wrapped up exactly how I feel! Why is it always such a problem to be Catholic, without people asking you "so are you like, really hard out into it?" What the hell is hard out supposed to mean? People complain about religion when they don't know hardly anything about it.

I commonly ask the same type of question "so are you like, really hard out into it?" because i dont understand how many can follow the commandment and believe, yet be so hypocritical outside the church. I feel that if one is a true believer, they will follow the commandments, and live as a direct representative of the God they worship.
P.S. What happened to miracles? Jesus walking on water, moses and the Red Sea? When did all this stop? Why does God not perform modern day miracles.

Ginny · 10-06-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xEmochicKx

I dont believe anything the bible or the church says because its hard to follow something when theres so many opportunities to agree and disagree. If you believe,you believe everything or nothing at all. Its hard for me to believe all those stories the bible writes about when they sound so farfetched and lets face it, there isnt really any proof. Or this crap that its a disprespect to God when you dont go to church. I believe in God, except i really dont think he cares if i show up at church or not, the important thing is that i believe. Bull**** that he doesnt accept homosexuals.Bull**** that we are going to hell.Bull****=all the other moronic things the church is against.

And miracles do happen. There have been too many incidents in my life and in the lives of people i know where i jsut stopped and said to myself ''Wow, there really is someone out there watching over me.'' But i think it has to happen to you for you to believe it...

That was confusing with all the contradictions you had against yourself.

xEmochicKx · 10-06-2005, 10:48 PM

religion contradicts itself
If were good we go to heaven and if were bad we go to hell,but what happenned to being forgiven for all our sins?

TheBig3 · 10-06-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrice

I commonly ask the same type of question "so are you like, really hard out into it?" because i dont understand how many can follow the commandment and believe, yet be so hypocritical outside the church. I feel that if one is a true believer, they will follow the commandments, and live as a direct representative of the God they worship.
P.S. What happened to miracles? Jesus walking on water, moses and the Red Sea? When did all this stop? Why does God not perform modern day miracles.

Thats prejudicial and ****ing dumb to assume that everyone who's "religeous" is hypocritical.

As far as your latter question, your going to need to do your own research. I have an ugly feeling you'll attempt to refute my every explination and then constantly ask more questions. The plauges are determined to be natural occurances that just happened to befall Egypt the year the "plauges existed." They all happen to a lesser degree (or at least did), that year they just happened to be exponential. Was that God's doing? Up to you.

Healings were all done the way Jesus did them, placing hands on people were the practices of tribes shaman. Did Jesus's healings work better, up to you.

To me it doesn't matter if you believe Jesus was real or ficitonal, he's someone to attempt to follow. If everyone tried, there would be far less pricks. I'm on board for that. And for people who use religeon as another stepping stone to prove their social superiority to others, well there not really religeous, they just tack another think onto their social resume like their applying for college, they aren't representitive of any religeon and they aren't decent people.

TheBig3 · 10-06-2005, 11:26 PM

Its much easier to stand against religeon, if believing in God was easy, it would be knowing that God exists.

The problem with the antireligeous is they want to believe in a God that hands you everything. Well you don't just get a free ride if you believe in God, because disease exists doens't mean he doesn't.

Any learned scholar knows the terrible horror that is Utopia. Be thankful there is a contrast, and your not bored out of your skull.

covle · 10-07-2005, 12:42 AM

what i initially meant was that the concept of christianity is made up.
Emperor Constantine of the roman empire is known to have construacted it. the ancent world was dominated by the pagan religious "mysteries". as the christian fairht was rising and the pagan world was shrinking constantine made christianity the official roman emprire religion. but the pagans wouldnt just switch religiongs, obviously. so the two were combined. for example halo's were the pagan sundiscs, sunday was the religious day of resting, whereas initially the christians sabbath was a saturday. etc ertc
but the jesus story is a myth. the pagans had similar religious "god-men" that died and were resurrected. the greeks called him dionysus, egyptions osiris, syrians adonis etc etc.
he was also a wonderchild born of god to a virgin mother, who was killed in differing but basically the same ways, hung, didmembered, everything. their birthdays were december 25th, celebrated a festival very similar to easter at the same time...etcetc
i was just wondering what modern christians thought or knew of all this, that christianity is not the revolutionary religion it claims to be, its not even original

Merkaba · 10-07-2005, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

To me it doesn't matter if you believe Jesus was real or ficitonal, he's someone to attempt to follow. If everyone tried, there would be far less pricks. I'm on board for that.

And for people who use religeon as another stepping stone to prove their social superiority to others, well there not really religeous, they just tack another think onto their social resume like their applying for college, they aren't representitive of any religeon and they aren't decent people.

Thats the kind of thinking that puts me off religion. The first part completely contradicts the second. You say if everyone followed a Jesus there would be less pricks. Okay I get that. But now you go onto talk about social superiority, which is hypocritical, because by calling non-believers pricks you are attempting to say you are socially superior.

You are, therefore, not a decent person. Are you?

Anyways I could say the same about religion, but I won't, because I already have

The thing is, it is my belief as a non-believer, that we the only ones that we should follow. We can only blame ourselves (or nature... ****ing Katrina), and we can only thank ourselves for what happens. I find it annoying, like many catholics also, to have other forms of belief always jumping down my throat to preach their way.

dirt mcgirt · 10-07-2005, 12:58 AM

xEmochicKx · 10-07-2005, 01:07 AM

haha^^ coolest guy ever

10-06-2005, 09:36 PM	#621 (permalink)
Thrice أمهاتك[وهور]Aura Euphoria Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida/Buffalo/CT Posts: 2,077	Religion, No offense but to myself religion is a joke. I honestly believe the Bible is more of a book of rules so people wouldnt be completely retarded(sinful). They are all common laws. I believe in my own made up theories and such. Somewhat based on karma. That man will get what he deserves in the long run, which somewhat is based on the christian faith of heaven and hell. I dont understand how you can jack up your whole life knowing the christian consequences of life after death, but then become 'saved' and repent of your sins and make it into the greater half of death. I was once bapstised into christianity when i was young, but as i grew older i began asking questions that contradicted the Bible, the pastors and such could not answer my questions, and just told me to have faith, which i found somewhat bogus. I could go on, and on, but ill save your eyes. __________________ Lew Harrison, who looked like an anarchist with his red eyes and fierce black beard, had been writing furiously in one corner of the room. "That's good—happiness by the kilowatt," he said. "Buy your happiness the way you buy light."

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xEmochicKx Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 91	religion contradicts itself If were good we go to heaven and if were bad we go to hell,but what happenned to being forgiven for all our sins? __________________ *You Cannot Rape the Willing.*

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Its much easier to stand against religeon, if believing in God was easy, it would be knowing that God exists. The problem with the antireligeous is they want to believe in a God that hands you everything. Well you don't just get a free ride if you believe in God, because disease exists doens't mean he doesn't. Any learned scholar knows the terrible horror that is Utopia. Be thankful there is a contrast, and your not bored out of your skull. __________________ I've moved to a new address

10-07-2005, 12:42 AM	#627 (permalink)
covle Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 334	what i initially meant was that the concept of christianity is made up. Emperor Constantine of the roman empire is known to have construacted it. the ancent world was dominated by the pagan religious "mysteries". as the christian fairht was rising and the pagan world was shrinking constantine made christianity the official roman emprire religion. but the pagans wouldnt just switch religiongs, obviously. so the two were combined. for example halo's were the pagan sundiscs, sunday was the religious day of resting, whereas initially the christians sabbath was a saturday. etc ertc but the jesus story is a myth. the pagans had similar religious "god-men" that died and were resurrected. the greeks called him dionysus, egyptions osiris, syrians adonis etc etc. he was also a wonderchild born of god to a virgin mother, who was killed in differing but basically the same ways, hung, didmembered, everything. their birthdays were december 25th, celebrated a festival very similar to easter at the same time...etcetc i was just wondering what modern christians thought or knew of all this, that christianity is not the revolutionary religion it claims to be, its not even original __________________ LIVE.LOVE.BURN.DIE. whoa...i quoted atreyu, that means im hardcore. look how hardcore i am!! thats hardcore...XXX

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xEmochicKx Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 91	haha^^ coolest guy ever __________________ *You Cannot Rape the Willing.*

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