The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, Europe, American, French)

jibber · 01-22-2005, 10:56 PM

meh, those protesters are the minority among liberals in the US, however, as is normally the case they're the most vocal, and unfortunately they also happen to be short a few billion brain cells.

Yellow Card · 01-22-2005, 11:37 PM

^ i dont think that the american public needed to be reminded of it. although it is very important, there is a time and a place to talk about such matters. that speech was neither.

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Please...did you read it at all? Did you watch it all? I'm guessing no to both, but maybe you read a paragraph or so and then your brain started to hurt again.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yellow Card · 01-22-2005, 11:37 PM

by the way i thought it was a rad speech.

GO GEORGE

Mixin · 01-22-2005, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonah

Dear caughstealingstars:

I sense that you are young.....not much...but young enough to still be in high school, and have people teach you what they believe. However, once you graduate, you'll learn that life isn't about what everyone tells you...but it's what you do with that knowlege with which they share with you. For example: If and when you attend college, much of what you learn that is debatable is open-ended knowlege, which means they teach you what they want you to know, but it's not flat out "this is how it is, this is the wrong way, this is the right thing to do, etc." You discuss, and weigh the pros and cons.

My point is, you seem to have many questions, and questions are great...
My advice to you would be to research, and read up on things....see both sides of everything, then make a logical judgement. You may like America now, but you may see things differently when you pay taxes, or when you're directly effected with society on an adult level.

As for personal preference...I don't like to get deep with my opinions...talk to me in person and I'll talk. I do, however, admire Canada greatly.

spoke like a true professer, what do u do for a living
im not insulting u, i agree with what u say, that does seem like something the american government would do, mass produce blind patriots by shoving lies and propaganda so far down your throats at such an impressionable age, hoping theyll join the overfunded, under trained military so they have lives at their disposal todie at their command.
hey, just look at that bully Bush, he went into Iraq and finished what his father couldnt and his excuse was "weapons of mass destruction" which turns out didnt exist, then it was "Hussien had to ties to Bin Laden" which turns out he didnt hav those ties to the REAL criminal which he failed to take down. he doesnt care about Osama, it was the innocent Saddam Hussien (granted he was a killer but he didnt do anything to America so Bush didnt have the right) that he took down

and THAT is why everyone hates America, BLIND PATRIOTISM, if the people didnt listen to his lies, none of this would have happened

That is also why I am proud to be Canadian a neutral country that doesnt start pointless, mass murderous war. think about America was involved in every war since its existence

IamAlejo · 01-23-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mixen

That is also why I am proud to be Canadian a neutral country that doesnt start pointless, mass murderous war. think about America was involved in every war since its existence

Russian Revolution, Russo-Japanese War, Greco-Turkish War, Anglo-Boer War, Balkan Wars.....should I continue? Because all of those were in a span of 25 years. So I'm sure I could dig up quite a few more, should I? Or have I made you look foolish enough yet?

IamAlejo · 01-23-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mixen

it was the innocent Saddam Hussien

?????

Dumbest. Thing. Ever. Written.

franscar · 01-23-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg

Didn't Stalin kill more people than Hitler? If so poor analogy.

Yeah, millions more. He was incredibly good at killing people, but he got owned by Chairman Mao, that guy was seriously good at it.

jibber · 01-23-2005, 07:18 PM

this is the problem with political debates on this forum. basically every intelligent argument from both side has been brought up in a previous debate we've had at some time, so a huge chunk of the comments are radical, overblown statements with little to no factual evidence to back them up. Post WWII, america definitely veered away from the isolationist policy it had before then, but it's not like america became a war mongering nation overnight. Yes, america has been involved with a lot of conflicts around the world, but the majority were combined UN forces, in which america played a major role. Vietnam, the war in iraq, and a few military ops in south america during the cold war were exceptions, but it's rediculous to think that those alone are enough to label the entire post-WWII era as one in which america was any more militarily involved than any other country. If we're talking about Bush alone on the other hand, it's still a subject of debate. Yes he started the war in iraq, but other presidents have started unpopular wars and executed military opperations that didn't have a lot of popular support. This by no means makes it ok, and anyone who's read any of my posts concerning politics knows where I stand on the issue. However, if he does indeed make an aggressive move in Iran (and it's looking more and more possible), then he could very well deserve that title.

jibber · 01-23-2005, 07:36 PM

^ there's something to put on a resume:
"I totally own stalin at mass murders"

Mixin · 01-23-2005, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xEmochicKx

Canada sucks ass

get the hell out you beret wearing, fry making, toast frying, artsy fartsy french bastard!

01-22-2005, 10:56 PM	#521 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	meh, those protesters are the minority among liberals in the US, however, as is normally the case they're the most vocal, and unfortunately they also happen to be short a few billion brain cells. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

01-22-2005, 11:37 PM	#523 (permalink)
Yellow Card Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 128	by the way i thought it was a rad speech. GO GEORGE __________________ "True friends stab you in the front" ---The Beltsville Crucible---

01-23-2005, 07:18 PM	#528 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	this is the problem with political debates on this forum. basically every intelligent argument from both side has been brought up in a previous debate we've had at some time, so a huge chunk of the comments are radical, overblown statements with little to no factual evidence to back them up. Post WWII, america definitely veered away from the isolationist policy it had before then, but it's not like america became a war mongering nation overnight. Yes, america has been involved with a lot of conflicts around the world, but the majority were combined UN forces, in which america played a major role. Vietnam, the war in iraq, and a few military ops in south america during the cold war were exceptions, but it's rediculous to think that those alone are enough to label the entire post-WWII era as one in which america was any more militarily involved than any other country. If we're talking about Bush alone on the other hand, it's still a subject of debate. Yes he started the war in iraq, but other presidents have started unpopular wars and executed military opperations that didn't have a lot of popular support. This by no means makes it ok, and anyone who's read any of my posts concerning politics knows where I stand on the issue. However, if he does indeed make an aggressive move in Iran (and it's looking more and more possible), then he could very well deserve that title. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

01-23-2005, 07:36 PM	#529 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	^ there's something to put on a resume: "I totally own stalin at mass murders" __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER