The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, American, Russian, effect)

franscar · 01-22-2005, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Alejo's Thought: They were trying to emphasize "freedom"....but could be wrong.

Fran's second thought having re-read it: How come he never says Iraq once? Isn't the death of over a thousand American soldiers slightly important to the next four years?

The whole farce from over here looks like he's living in a fantasy world, he's enjoying lavish, million dollar balls whilst on the streets of Baghdad American soldiers are scraping the remains of suicide bombers into garbage bags.

Certainly Bush is attempting to emphasise freedom, but wouldn't it be a good idea to actually focus on the most important issue in the American world, nay, the whole world, right now?

ArtistInTheAmbulance · 01-22-2005, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Henrah

Bush is the most dangerously imcompitent man since stalin

Stalin wasnt incompitent (sorry if I cant spell) He did a lot for Russia, just because his methods were dangerous and killed many doesnt mean he was incompitent.

franscar · 01-22-2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance

Stalin wasnt incompitent (sorry if I cant spell) He did a lot for Russia, just because his methods were dangerous and killed many doesnt mean he was incompitent.

In a military sense he was woeful. With the sheer size of the Russian army they should've been able to crush everything in sight, as it was they barely managed to win a war against Finland.

He was cruel, oppressive, insecure and daft as a brush. Nobody in Russia was sorry to see the back of him.

ArtistInTheAmbulance · 01-22-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by franscar

In a military sense he was woeful. With the sheer size of the Russian army they should've been able to crush everything in sight, as it was they barely managed to win a war against Finland.

He was cruel, oppressive, insecure and daft as a brush. Nobody in Russia was sorry to see the back of him.

Im not saying he was a saint or what he did was right for anyone. Youre right, of couse he could have done a lot better for Russia, but he did bring her up to the modern age of industry at the time.

Im not defending him at all, I agree that things would have been a hell of a lot better without him, I just wanted to say that he wasnt completely incompetent.

jibber · 01-22-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Henrah

Bush is the most dangerously imcompitent man since stalin

Ok that's just blowing it way out of proportion. how about saddam hussein, slobadon milosevic, radovan karadzic, ratko mladic, edi amin, mohamed farrah aidid, khartoum, I could list dozens more, but maybe you should start with these to get some perspective. I wouldn't call Bush a good president, but it's rediculous to compare him to Stalin.

Greg · 01-22-2005, 06:12 PM

Didn't Stalin kill more people than Hitler? If so poor analogy.

jibber · 01-22-2005, 06:19 PM

^yeah he did, huh, just realized I didn't list hitler on my list of people worse than bush, but that one's pretty obvious, so it doesn't really matter.

IamAlejo · 01-22-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by franscar

Fran's second thought having re-read it: How come he never says Iraq once? Isn't the death of over a thousand American soldiers slightly important to the next four years?

The whole farce from over here looks like he's living in a fantasy world, he's enjoying lavish, million dollar balls whilst on the streets of Baghdad American soldiers are scraping the remains of suicide bombers into garbage bags.

Certainly Bush is attempting to emphasise freedom, but wouldn't it be a good idea to actually focus on the most important issue in the American world, nay, the whole world, right now?

Alejo's reply to Fran's though: (I like the 3rd person speaking haha) I think that he didn't mention Iraq for a variety of reasons.
1. He knows he's messed up already in the handlings of it.
2. He was at a mid-hostile crowd and the mentioning of Iraq could not have been great.
3. Balls have been done for a while, it's just kind of a way of congratulating (or at least giving them a break) of the normal daily decisions/work that they normally make.

SwitchFootRocks! · 01-22-2005, 07:35 PM

Hes a ****ing murderer. Get it?

hookers with machineguns · 01-22-2005, 10:43 PM

i went up to these bush protestors on my campus and called them lowlifes, and one of them called me a "typical right wing fascist". I laughed so hard. One, considering I am not republican. Two, I don't have a favorable impression of the prez. But, these guys had signs and statues comparing bush to hitler. That isn't liberalism, that's extremism. And, the signs right next to them said things like "bush: divider, not uniter". well I'm glad to see the liberals are working hard at uniting the country as well when they compare the prez to hitler. it's so fashionable to hate bush, but most of the people i talk to (including these protestors) don't know what they are fighting. and signs that say "bring the troops home" - how stupid. You can't start a fire then let it burn. We have to finish the job there, even if we went in on totally false pretenses. the liberal's beloved kerry would say the same. In fact, his views on the main issues were exactly the same as bush's, except he was so vague on his position. i'll stop there for now.

01-22-2005, 06:19 PM	#517 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	^yeah he did, huh, just realized I didn't list hitler on my list of people worse than bush, but that one's pretty obvious, so it doesn't really matter. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

01-22-2005, 07:35 PM	#519 (permalink)
SwitchFootRocks! insanely insane Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In a room with padded walls, (florida, USA) Posts: 37	Hes a ****ing murderer. Get it? __________________ Batteries not included! Why do we kill people who kill people to show that klling people is wrong? (unless its George Bush, then its fine!)

01-22-2005, 10:43 PM	#520 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	i went up to these bush protestors on my campus and called them lowlifes, and one of them called me a "typical right wing fascist". I laughed so hard. One, considering I am not republican. Two, I don't have a favorable impression of the prez. But, these guys had signs and statues comparing bush to hitler. That isn't liberalism, that's extremism. And, the signs right next to them said things like "bush: divider, not uniter". well I'm glad to see the liberals are working hard at uniting the country as well when they compare the prez to hitler. it's so fashionable to hate bush, but most of the people i talk to (including these protestors) don't know what they are fighting. and signs that say "bring the troops home" - how stupid. You can't start a fire then let it burn. We have to finish the job there, even if we went in on totally false pretenses. the liberal's beloved kerry would say the same. In fact, his views on the main issues were exactly the same as bush's, except he was so vague on his position. i'll stop there for now. __________________ LASTFM

01-22-2005, 06:12 PM	#516 (permalink)
Greg Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Midlands England Posts: 93	Didn't Stalin kill more people than Hitler? If so poor analogy.