The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (quote)

[[MERIT]]

haha
just remember, you asked for it.

[riseagainstrocks]

Originally Posted by oojay

I will give the mods 5 minutes to lock this before I tear you a new one. Starting.........now.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

ARE YOU KIDDING!

Please, go right ahead, I'd love to see what you tell me about Existentialism


EDIT: oh and this quote right here

Originally Posted by oojay

funny you should say that, Raine posted a politics test in the politics thread and thats what it came out as for me. I wouldnt say im a fascist per say, but I tend to look at the big picture and doing whats best for the whole.

basically renders every religious point you make false. Please, I cannot wait.

[Kurt_Cobain]

Urgh, christianity knocked. And then we all get annoyed, we hate atheists blah blah. THATS why theirs arguments in this thread. If you don't believe, ok. If you do, cool. The problem with y'all is that you think if you don't believe you're bad. No, you have morals instead of God's laws thats all. Killing is religiously AND morally wrong, because you tell yourself so.
And siminunderthetoe, the new testament does say if you don't accept christ then their is no other way.
'I am the way, the light, and the truth, nobody comes to the Father, but by me'

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I scanned through the later parts of this and have some observations.



The core of nihilism isn't a belief in nothing. It's the idea that existence is absurd and therefore doesn't matter. Stop being stupid.


Um wrong? Atheists do not recognize supernatural powers. THESE TERMS ARE ALL EASILY ACCESSIBLE IN A DICTIONARY.



Again, wrong. There are no definites. That is faith. Both can be right. Both can be wrong. The possibilities are infinite. Stop claiming to have know truth. Because you can't.



I'd pose the same question to you. You do realize that you just said (in essence) everyone goes to heaven. Just differs based on what they believe. YOU HAVE CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. Again.




Again. Not true. And another example of you contradicting yourself again. You really should write down all the stuff you "believe" in a notebook somewhere. It keeps things less confusing

And besides, by your definiton, God is at once, all loving and all hating. He made all people correct? So unless you don't consider homosexuals people, then he made them as well. Well, if he made someone designed to sin, then isn't that sadistic? The Christian God is a diety raised not to love, but to use as a fear-inspiring idol. The tenets of "love" and "charity" that are preached in your houses of worship, are not applied in everyday life.




And now for my opinions on the religion topic. I was until roughly 4 months ago, a "Christian". But I, much like most of my former brethren, didn't bother actually applying logic to my faith. I do believe, nay, know that there is a God. But he's a cold hearted ******* who uses man as play things.

There is no afterlife. It's an arbitrary system set up by people to scarred to face the truly unknown. They can't reconcile living and dying and that being the end of it.

Existentialism. Read and know.

Well for starters, I will answer your quote in the order you wrote it, as opposed to rifleing through 20 pages of discussion, randomly picking posts that make me feel stupid, and quoting them out of context (which seems to be the adolescent route that you have chosen).


When I said that the core of nihilism is "believing in nothing", if you would have read it in the correct context, it is easy to realize that "nothing" as refering to no religion, which true nihilist do not believe in any religion. Nihilism is the rejection of anything that requires faith, b/c faith is the belief in what cannot be known, and nihilist believe that nothing can be know for sure. So in leyman's terms, NIHILISTS DONT BELIEVE IN RELIGION. So quit being stupid.



Athiests do not recognize supernaturals. Most religions are based on supernatural forces, aka God, Satan, etc. And while you can be an athiest and believe in an afterlife, it would be quite the oddity. AND YOU NEED TO GET A NEW DICTIONARY.


And if 2 people have different viewpoints, they CANNOT both be right. If there is a blue clock on the wall, and I say its blue, and you say its red, we CANNOT both be right. You would be once again wrong. And Im not sure what you meant by "Stop claiming to have know truth"? I never said what I said was the end-all-be-all as far as religion goes, but people asked for my christian viewpoint, and I gave it. And there are infact definites. I am definitely right. You are definitely wrong.



And how did I say all people are going to heaven. If "good" people go to heaven and "bad" people go to hell, then how is that saying ALL people go to heaven? Hopefully you get some Hooked-On-Phonics for christmas b/c you obviously cant read. And maybe a dictionary too, so you can look up what CONTRADICTION means



And simply saying that what I said is not true by no means makes you right. It makes it your ignorant opinion. and I use the term "ignorant" not as an insult, but simply meaning that you have never been taught.


And yes, God made all people (according to my christian beliefs anyhow). He gave man free will. Mans free will was influenced by satan, thus creating sin, or homosexuality in the case you prefered to use. And God is a kind, gentle, meek, and loving God, but also meant to inspire fear as well (hence the term "fear of god"). And just b/c the ideals and beliefs that are preached in church are not carried out into the rest of life, that does not mean its gods fault. If a football team gets a lecture from a coach, and then goes out on the field and does something completely different, is that the coach's fault? no, of course not. this is no difference.


And its hilarious that you can sit there, saying that youve been a christian for the majority of your life, and talk like you do. Im interested to know what branch of "christianity" you were affiliated with, if these are your ideals. Was it taught by a Pastor David Karesh by chance?

There IS an afterlife. Its either heaven or hell. deal with it. Its not used by poeple who are "scarred to face the unknown", it is just how it works, it is incentive to live a good life, so get used to it, b/c you cant change it.



Common sense. Read and Know.

[skindredluver]

Do you guys think killing is wrong if it was on accident?I am not sure.[sorry if this interupts anythinhg..

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

HAHAHAHAHAHA

ARE YOU KIDDING!

Please, go right ahead, I'd love to see what you tell me about Existentialism


EDIT: oh and this quote right here



basically renders every religious point you make false. Please, I cannot wait.

yes, an internet test calling me a fascist MUST be right

[Kurt_Cobain]

^No skin, if it's an accident it's not wrong, you repent. God knows your heart and you're forgiven.
And I guess if you're an atheist its not wrong if it you're sorry also. Aslong as you're truly sorry anything can be forgiven.
And don't apologise for asking a reasonable question

[ØØ Void]

I haven't read any of the other posts in this thread, so this might've already been said, but...

"Right" and "wrong" don't exist. Well, they might, but it'd be impossible for us to know. For each human being on this planet, there's a different set of morals, and no set is any more right or wrong than another.

[cardboard adolescent]

Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

^No skin, if it's an accident it's not wrong, you repent. God knows your heart and you're forgiven.
And I guess if you're an atheist its not wrong if it you're sorry also. Aslong as you're truly sorry anything can be forgiven.
And don't apologise for asking a reasonable question

Why should you be sorry if it wasn't your fault?

[riseagainstrocks]

Originally Posted by oojay

Well for starters, I will answer your quote in the order you wrote it, as opposed to rifleing through 20 pages of discussion, randomly picking posts that make me feel stupid, and quoting them out of context (which seems to be the adolescent route that you have chosen).


When I said that the core of nihilism is "believing in nothing", if you would have read it in the correct context, it is easy to realize that "nothing" as refering to no religion, which true nihilist do not believe in any religion. Nihilism is the rejection of anything that requires faith, b/c faith is the belief in what cannot be known, and nihilist believe that nothing can be know for sure. So in leyman's terms, NIHILISTS DONT BELIEVE IN RELIGION. So quit being stupid.



Athiests do not recognize supernaturals. Most religions are based on supernatural forces, aka God, Satan, etc. And while you can be an athiest and believe in an afterlife, it would be quite the oddity. AND YOU NEED TO GET A NEW DICTIONARY.


And if 2 people have different viewpoints, they CANNOT both be right. If there is a blue clock on the wall, and I say its blue, and you say its red, we CANNOT both be right. You would be once again wrong. And Im not sure what you meant by "Stop claiming to have know truth"? I never said what I said was the end-all-be-all as far as religion goes, but people asked for my christian viewpoint, and I gave it. And there are infact definites. I am definitely right. You are definitely wrong.



And how did I say all people are going to heaven. If "good" people go to heaven and "bad" people go to hell, then how is that saying ALL people go to heaven? Hopefully you get some Hooked-On-Phonics for christmas b/c you obviously cant read. And maybe a dictionary too, so you can look up what CONTRADICTION means



And simply saying that what I said is not true by no means makes you right. It makes it your ignorant opinion. and I use the term "ignorant" not as an insult, but simply meaning that you have never been taught.


And yes, God made all people (according to my christian beliefs anyhow). He gave man free will. Mans free will was influenced by satan, thus creating sin, or homosexuality in the case you prefered to use. And God is a kind, gentle, meek, and loving God, but also meant to inspire fear as well (hence the term "fear of god"). And just b/c the ideals and beliefs that are preached in church are not carried out into the rest of life, that does not mean its gods fault. If a football team gets a lecture from a coach, and then goes out on the field and does something completely different, is that the coach's fault? no, of course not. this is no difference.


And its hilarious that you can sit there, saying that youve been a christian for the majority of your life, and talk like you do. Im interested to know what branch of "christianity" you were affiliated with, if these are your ideals. Was it taught by a Pastor David Karesh by chance?

There IS an afterlife. Its either heaven or hell. deal with it. Its not used by poeple who are "scarred to face the unknown", it is just how it works, it is incentive to live a good life, so get used to it, b/c you cant change it.



Common sense. Read and Know.

oh dear. I won't even insult you. It's just too easy.

1. The definition of nihilism taken from www.m-w.com
1 a : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless b : a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths

It's the idea that human existence is absurd.

2. You act like you proved me wrong when you said that Atheist don't believe in Supernatural powers. I said that.


A) Belief in an afterlife is based on belief in a religious system (whatever that is)
B) Atheism refutes all religious systems
so C) Atheist do not believe in the afterlife.

It's the transitive property.

3. It's perception. You like to bring it up everytime I make fun of someone's music. You have no idea how I'm seeing the clock. To me it could be red, which would make me right to me. You are spouting your opinion's as fact. And mis-quoting definitions. Besides. It's called a false dichotomy. Your perception is not mine. You are speaking in absolutes. The entire branch of philosophy known as Epistomolgy proves logically, that you cannot know anything. You can only perceive.

4. What defines bad? You? God? What if I choose to not believe in a God? How is his judgement on me in anyway substantial? (and I must concede, I misread your post)

5. You said all religions. Buddhism, which IS a religion, does not teach that. A rather glaring error. Not a trifling one.

6. Actually no. Homosexuality is a genetic trait. Therefore not a choice. One cannot choose to not be ***. To deny them marriage, to deny them sex, is horrible. I understand that man mis-interperets, the word of God all the time. But that's not an excuse to preach hate.

7. I was rasied Methodist actually. You like to make fun of people for their lack of maturity and yet in a mature subject, you demonstrate none yourself.

8. The concept of an afterlife is not common sense. I cannot stress enough that you cannot KNOW that there is one. If you did then you wouldn't have faith. You'd have knowledge. Knowledge is the anti-thesis of faith and therefore is the anti-thesis of God. If you know God than you cannot be human by the definition of God.


I truly do not understand how you can simply brush aside the rules of logic like they mean nothing.