The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (techno, house, rock, quote)

[boo boo]

Go ahead and call me a racist or whatever, I'm all for profiling.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Go ahead and call me a racist or whatever, I'm all for profiling.

same here. i dont recall the last time any whites, blacks, or asians hijacked 4 planes and flew them into a couple skyscrapers or the pentagon for that matter.

[Raine]

Originally Posted by oojay

are you serious? everyone talks about the patriot act violating our civil liberties and such but 99.9% of them have never taken the time to actually read it. its provisions are designed to keep us safe, and if that means a few extra hours at the airport or someone keeping track of what books i check out at the local library then so be it. and its not like Bush just wrote the patriot act and made it law. it was created and voted in by many bi-partisan committes and groups, including republicans, as well as democrats and independants. so we cant put all of our problems off onto 'ol W.

The purpose of government is to maintain order and protect citizens. i do not feel protected with the patriot act in place.

Think of doctors that talk to patients over the phone. Does this not defy the whole patient doctor confidentiality?
or how about lawyers talking over the phone to a client?

And even if I was supportive of the patriot act, what's to say that the government was listening tin to a conversation that would've perhaps made it so that Foley's actions were brought to light sooner?

And even if I did support the patriot act, i just don't have enough faith in the US government that they'd know what to do with the info.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Raine

The purpose of government is to maintain order and protect citizens. i do not feel protected with the patriot act in place.
Think of doctors that talk to patients over the phone. Does this not defy the whole patient doctor confidentiality?or how about lawyers talking over the phone to a client?

And even if I was supportive of the patriot act, what's to say that the government was listening tin to a conversation that would've perhaps made it so that Foley's actions were brought to light sooner?

And even if I did support the patriot act, i just don't have enough faith in the US government that they'd know what to do with the info.

so would you feel more protected w/o the patriot act in place? and im pretty sure that you refilling your flonase prescription over the phone isnt very high on the government's threat list.

[Raine]

Originally Posted by oojay

so would you feel more protected w/o the patriot act in place? and im pretty sure that you refilling your flonase prescription over the phone isnt very high on the government's threat list.

I'd feel comfortable knowing the government wasn't wasting money funding this act, looking for info that they wouldn't know what to do with anyway.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Raine

I'd feel comfortable knowing the government wasn't wasting money funding this act, looking for info that they wouldn't know what to do with anyway.

so your willing to risk this country's safety just to save a buck or two?

[Raine]

Originally Posted by oojay

so your willing to risk this country's safety just to save a buck or two?

I don't need the money. I've got plenty of it.

I just don't like the idea of people listening in on my conversations.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Raine

I don't need the money. I've got plenty of it.

I just don't like the idea of people listening in on my conversations.

yeah i know what you mean. but its not like they just tap random phones. so i dont think we have anything to worry about.

[Raine]

Originally Posted by oojay

yeah i know what you mean. but its not like they just tap random phones. so i dont think we have anything to worry about.

Think of it like this.

The Constitution does not clearly state that all people are entitled to privacy but it's implied. The fact that any one person's phone is being tapped means that their rights are being violated. if any one eprson's right are violated it leaves room for someone else (like me) to have their rights violated.

And I can't imagine the government tapping justa nyone's phone. So maybe people that leave the country frequently (like me) or people who might have ties or share cultural backgrounds with al qaida. But that's discriminatory if you ask me.

[[MERIT]]

Originally Posted by Raine

Think of it like this.

The Constitution does not clearly state that all people are entitled to privacy but it's implied. The fact that any one person's phone is being tapped means that their rights are being violated. if any one eprson's right are violated it leaves room for someone else (like me) to have their rights violated.

And I can't imagine the government tapping justa nyone's phone. So maybe people that leave the country frequently (like me) or people who might have ties or share cultural backgrounds with al qaida. But that's discriminatory if you ask me.

well you dont have anything to hide....do you? and youve gotta see the picture as a whole. if a few people rights are "violated" to protect the other 300 million citizens, im personally ok with that.