The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, house, Europe, American)

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

They're both perfectly reasonable answers.
It's just that Christians use the answer, and then call us out on "where did the Big Bang matter come from?"

Howcome you can use that answer, but I can't?

I never said you can't, I just think its fucked up you call me ignorant for my beliefs and you have the same answer I do.

[bungalow]

No, the fact that you can actually tell me we have always been Homo sapiensapiens is what's f*cked up.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

It`s perfectly logical.

Thats why people build churches & things

[DontRunMeOver]

Personally, I'd rather think that my ancestors were more like monkeys because.

1. It explains some things (I don't mean scientifically).
2. Its really funny.

Urban, I suppose you could almost say that God is a social constuct (like race)... God definitely exists in the same way that anything which exists in people's minds exists.

[Barnard17]

Originally Posted by Crowquill

I never said you can't, I just think its fucked up you call me ignorant for my beliefs and you have the same answer I do.

Your beliefs lead you to no longer question, and gives you easy answers when such questions are asked. It's unproductive, as it gains us nothing: no knowledge. How can we expect to learn if we just use "well God did it" as an excuse for everything. Big Bang may not have all the answers, but at least it's proponents are seeking them rather than flopping at the feet of a Jealous and Corrupt deity.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Fal

Your beliefs lead you to no longer question, and gives you easy answers when such questions are asked. It's unproductive, as it gains us nothing: no knowledge. How can we expect to learn if we just use "well God did it" as an excuse for everything. Big Bang may not have all the answers, but at least it's proponents are seeking them rather than flopping at the feet of a Jealous and Corrupt deity.

Yep, when I decided I believe in god I didn't do it because I really did believe in him, I just did it for easy answers.

[Laces Out Dan!]

I come from a christian background..and i think that Adam and Eve are how it went down

[Barnard17]

Originally Posted by Crowquill

Yep, when I decided I believe in god I didn't do it because I really did believe in him, I just did it for easy answers.

I'm not saying it did. I'm saying that using it to "disprove" something is pointless because it's utterly unproductive. Religion and Science cannot be used to prove or disprove each other because they work in completely different directions (unless the Religion incorporates science). Thus bringing them into a scientific debate has little purpose and serves only to sideline it with irrelevant ravings.

[Stone Magnet]

Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

Yes.
The matter contained in the universe has always existed.

Perhaps the universe has always existed and is not expanding, nor contracting. This universe could be a minuscule fragment within another universe. This universe could be one amidst many just like it, or even utterly divergent. This universe could be a mere subjective illusion. The possibilities are incalculable.

[Barnard17]

Stone, check your science. The Universe is expanding, the evidence is pretty conclusive. The Universe also originated from one point in space. Unless the Red Shift is just subtly laid down to confuse us. Whether there are plural Universe is unknown.