The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, punk, members, quote)

[ArtistInTheAmbulance]

Originally Posted by SwitchFootRocks!

You cant blam all of america for that. i myself am very aware of other countries.

Noone can blame all of one country for anything I dont think... I know I havent thought that statement through well enough so someone is gonna come back in a bit and argue with that.. But this thread is just saying why you dont like the majority I guess? Or just the way its run mebbe.

[hookers with machineguns]

^ It's probably legal in Texas to have a concealed weapon, I know it is in some states.

[IamAlejo]

I met a guy in summer from Texas who didn't know guns were illegal.

I have a hard time if you are gonna call this guy ignorant for this. While assault rifles are illegal, having a hunting rifle and such are not illegal. Sure you need a permit, but they are defenitely not illegal.

I dislike America because they often forget the rest of the world exists.

I can't argue with this because it is so broad. Be more specific por favor.

[Sweet Jane]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

I can't argue with this because it is so broad. Be more specific por favor.

I was being specific, without trying to pick on anyone in particular, but my sentenes at the top of the page were all linked.

On the guns for instance, yes there are exceptions with hunting permits, but without going into rare circumstances the guy, who was over 21 years of age, did not know that even other American states were not allowed to have unregistered weapons in their homes, never mind the rest of the world. I just found that scary.

And the whole spirit of the thread is pretty broad, surely? I don't hate everything about America nor do I hate everyone in it.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by covle

secondly while i see your point iamalejo, i do not agree. america donates money yes, and you should see what that money goes towards and have the right to withdraw your donations if it goes to an unjust means, such as another palace for the rulers or upgrading the tanks or something. but i do not believe that any nation has the right to interfere with anothers politics. "sticking your noses in it" so to speak. unless of course the obvious misuse of power conundrum card is in play. but would it not be easier to eliminate a percentage of the debt owed to your country by whoever your producing aid for rather than just build upon the interest and forcing them into further debt by giving them money?

I see what you mean...but with the money we pour into these economies, are you to say that the politics in that country do not effect the economy? I have a hard time believing that. A lot of money we use helps supporting other countries militaries. When we need help in a military event, we often ask for help from these countries. Etc, etc. While I don't think it is a "We did this for you, you are in eternal debt" deal, I do believe that a country with as large of a national debt as we have, the amount of aid we give out, we want/get something in return. The "giving aid to further them in debt" part I do not understand though. Most of the money we give out...is just that, "given out". While we ask for favors in return, we don't ask for the money in return with compounded interest.

Originally Posted by covle

america was not founded on religious beliefs, mainly political and freedom reasons. one of my favourite quotes from the revolution was "patriarchial monarchy and hereditarial succession has lain the world in blood and ashes" by thomas paine, if memory serves.

I love Thomas Paine. Nice touch. On the not founded on religious beliefs, I think in a way it was. There are references from most American documents of that time dealing with God.

The Declaration of Indendence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"...."appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions"

I don't wanna talk about Vietnam.

Originally Posted by covle

oh and i blame all you darn americans for the fat kid at the end of my street. obeisity began in america, existed solely in america and has been spread by mass corporations. the end. nothing else. there was no overweight people in any country except america. disagree? well you must be fat, or the fat guys got to you first. certainly not in australia, our beloved country, hey anti poptart chik?

So should the guy who invented cars be blamed for millions of car crashes each year? Should the man who invented missiles be blamed for the death of Iraqis. Obeisity is an issue of self control. I've never seen an American have McDonald's forced down his throat. Sure, advertising, blah blah blah...yes, it is conveniant. But anyone who eats properly, has self control, excercises, etc, can become a healthy person. I'm an American. I'm 6'4, 150 pounds. So send the fat jokes my way. And I hope the "no fat people in other countries" was an exaggeration trying to make your point.

[covle]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

So should the guy who invented cars be blamed for millions of car crashes each year? Should the man who invented missiles be blamed for the death of Iraqis. Obeisity is an issue of self control. I've never seen an American have McDonald's forced down his throat. Sure, advertising, blah blah blah...yes, it is conveniant. But anyone who eats properly, has self control, excercises, etc, can become a healthy person. I'm an American. I'm 6'4, 150 pounds. So send the fat jokes my way. And I hope the "no fat people in other countries" was an exaggeration trying to make your point.

sarcasm my good man. i am saying something like obeseity cannot be blamed on one country or even dorporations. our lifestyle in the western world has become so easy that for entertainment kids dont have to do anything. they can sit and play videogames or any ****. we are becoming fat because ourlives are so easy. everything is done for us. i am not so stupid as to even attempt to blame anyone for such problems.

[covle]

[QUOTE=IamAlejo]I see what you mean...but with the money we pour into these economies, are you to say that the politics in that country do not effect the economy? I have a hard time believing that. A lot of money we use helps supporting other countries militaries. When we need help in a military event, we often ask for help from these countries. Etc, etc. While I don't think it is a "We did this for you, you are in eternal debt" deal, I do believe that a country with as large of a national debt as we have, the amount of aid we give out, we want/get something in return. The "giving aid to further them in debt" part I do not understand though. Most of the money we give out...is just that, "given out". While we ask for favors in return, we don't ask for the money in return with compounded interest.


much of what is labelled "aid" is actually a loan. these loans are given out by numerous countries, not only america, that have a more negative effect on the country. on face value, sure it looks like an extremely humane gesture and the countries media will eat that up. but the interest on such loans is so high that if used as intended, the country would attempt to build humanitarian services for their citizens, they would have no chance of repaying the debt. and as time rolls on, as inevitably it does-or so im told, the interest gets larger and larger and the countries best chance to look after its people is initially to eliminate the debt so they can start from square one, build up their economy and such and then look to improve the citizens way of life. so while most countries look only at the immediate future with the money, it has an intense deprative effect moreso than positive. i am not talking about aid given in times of dier need such as in the tsunami effected areas, so nobody bother bringing that up. many 3rd world countries are in this situation, and many from loans after ww1 and 2.

also, my apologies for multiple successive posts. i kept finding other points to write about.

[IamAlejo]

Acts like the rest of the world doesn't exist.

That's a broad ass statement. Like I don't think they help us? Like I don't believe in the map? That statement is not specific at all.

And no, you don't have to have a hunting permit to have a gun. That is incorrect. Guns can easily be purchased at your local wal-mart, given a month or so to do paperwork etc.

[Sweet Jane]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Acts like the rest of the world doesn't exist.

Guns can easily be purchased at your local wal-mart, given a month or so to do paperwork etc.

Haha, thank you for proving my point.

[IamAlejo]

You are an idiot if you think you can't get a gun at wal-mart.