The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (effect, tracks, quote, teacher)

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by jibber

^meh, as long as it's not complete jibberish, go for it, it's nice to have some differing opinions, as long as they're actually well thought out.

I hope nobody here thinks any less of me (not that it's possible), but 10 or so years ago I almost killed someone. If it hadn't been for a pole, I probably would have.
Don't get me wrong, I do not feel like a hero for my actions as the guy will never walk again

All in the heat of the moment.

[bungalow]

Originally Posted by cheeseman

I hope nobody here thinks any less of me (not that it's possible), but 10 or so years ago I almost killed someone. If it hadn't been for a pole, I probably would have.
Don't get me wrong, I do not feel like a hero for my actions as the guy will never walk again

All in the heat of the moment.

Are you a cop?

[jibber]

Originally Posted by cheeseman

I hope nobody here thinks any less of me (not that it's possible), but 10 or so years ago I almost killed someone. If it hadn't been for a pole, I probably would have.
Don't get me wrong, I do not feel like a hero for my actions as the guy will never walk again

All in the heat of the moment.

now, if you're going to give that much information, you may as well let out with the whole story.

[Cheese]

Guy stole my car,I'd been drinking.
I tracked him down at his place, he did a runner so I chased him with my (other) car. I caught up with and proceeded to chase him along the footpath when he stopped dead in his tracks.I did not stop, hitting him square in back, throwing him into a wall.
I then swung my car around to finish it when I misjudged the turn and crashed into a light pole

I am by no means proud of what I did that day.If I hadn't been drinking it might have ended a lot more civilly

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

Are you a cop?

No!

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by jibber

in the heat of passion? exactly what would be the circumstances for that? I've been very angry at people before, but never have i had an urge to kill someone, it takes a special kind of f*cked up personality to take it to that level. people should be given the opportuinity to make up for mistakes, but murder is not a mistake, in my opinion, its something unforgivable. you take the life of someone else, you pay for it with your own by sitting in prison the rest of your life.

not all murders are the same you know, you have your Charles Mansons, psychotic killers with no feeling of remorse, and for example, you have a guy that kills someone that raped his 5 year old child, don't you think that second guy should get a chance to get back to what's left of his life after having payed his debt to society?

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

In my country there has been multiple Supreme Court decisions that have continued to seperate the Church from the State. The Supreme Court...aka the supreme law of the land.

And no, not really. Honestly they aren't predictable because they don't just follow the same party every time. It just makes you look like a tool to try and take a cheap shot in a thread that has little to do with different politcal parties and just our opinion on a topic.

oh shit!! the supreme court is the supreme law of the land?! who would have thought it?! read my bio prick, i'm in law school and we have studied your legal system. now stop bitching and changing the subject and say something intelligent about your views on the death penalty and it's justifications beside "we save money by executing people in cold blood".

Originally Posted by cheeseman

Guy stole my car,I'd been drinking.
I tracked him down at his place, he did a runner so I chased him with my (other) car. I caught up with and proceeded to chase him along the footpath when he stopped dead in his tracks.I did not stop, hitting him square in back, throwing him into a wall.
I then swung my car around to finish it when I misjudged the turn and crashed into a light pole

I am by no means proud of what I did that day.If I hadn't been drinking it might have ended a lot more civilly

it's funny, it turns out i can guess what kind of personality a person has just by looking at their face. i thought you had a violent personality and now i see that you do. it always fascinated me how people can be so violent to each other. you keep saying the world is going down the shit hole and we need to get rid of the scumbags populating it. and i apalogize in a advance for the impending insult, but to me, the world would be a better place if there were more people like me, and less like you. it's actually very easy to see how wars get started, people are angry, violent animals. you were right to say that anyone can turn into a killer given the right set of circumstances. but it's far easier for some people to kill than others. for me, it would have to be a life threatning situation to either me or someone i love, for you, i think it's enough for someone to look at you the wrong way. sadly , there are far more pople like you than me out there, just earlier today, i was crossing the street and the light was red, i had a packagge in my hands and was in a hurry so i crossed the street even though the cars had the advantage, a guy honked the horn at me and shouted something out me through the window eyeing me if i was going to respond. i am convinced that if i had said something back he would have stopped the car and started shit with me ( he had that crazed look in his eyes )......and god knows what would have happened if i did....but i had the common sense not to, i knew that no good could come of it.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by adidasss

oh shit!! the supreme court is the supreme law of the land?! who would have thought it?! read my bio prick, i'm in law school and we have studied your legal system. now stop bitching and changing the subject and say something intelligent about your views on the death penalty and it's justifications beside "we save money by executing people in cold blood".

Originally Posted by adidasss

only God has the right to decide when someone lives or dies.

How is that changing the subject? YOU brought up God in this argument, in which I stated God has no subject here as it needs to be seperated from our Government.

I really would like to know why you (and others) think that after these people kill someone that having "to life with their crime" is such a punishment? Honestly there are some ****ed up people in the world that don't CARE. What they did does not effect them, some are still happy for what they did.

Think about the family of the person that has been killed. They will never get to see that person AGAIN. But have to live knowing that the murderer is still alive, still breathing after he took the life of their family member. That's horrid. I know a girl that is just know being charged of a hit and run where she killed someone while under the influence. SHE HAS NO REMORSE ON THE SITUATION AT ALL. And the sad thing is, I bet you she doesn't get more than 5 years. It's ****ed up.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by adidasss

it's funny, it turns out i can guess what kind of personality a person has just by looking at their face. i thought you had a violent personality and now i see that you do. it always fascinated me how people can be so violent to each other. you keep saying the world is going down the shit hole and we need to get rid of the scumbags populating it. and i apalogize in a advance for the impending insult, but to me, the world would be a better place if there were more people like me, and less like you. it's actually very easy to see how wars get started, people are angry, violent animals. you were right to say that anyone can turn into a killer given the right set of circumstances. but it's far easier for some people to kill than others. for me, it would have to be a life threatning situation to either me or someone i love, for you, i think it's enough for someone to look at you the wrong way. sadly , there are far more pople like you than me out there, just earlier today, i was crossing the street and the light was red, i had a packagge in my hands and was in a hurry so i crossed the street even though the cars had the advantage, a guy honked the horn at me and shouted something out me through the window eyeing me if i was going to respond. i am convinced that if i had said something back he would have stopped the car and started shit with me ( he had that crazed look in his eyes )......and god knows what would have happened if i did....but i had the common sense not to, i knew that no good could come of it.

I don't know what's funnier. You acting like you know everything about everyone again, or your little story about being God's gift to man.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

How is that changing the subject? YOU brought up God in this argument, in which I stated God has no subject here as it needs to be seperated from our Government.

I really would like to know why you (and others) think that after these people kill someone that having "to life with their crime" is such a punishment? Honestly there are some ****ed up people in the world that don't CARE. What they did does not effect them, some are still happy for what they did.

Think about the family of the person that has been killed. They will never get to see that person AGAIN. But have to live knowing that the murderer is still alive, still breathing after he took the life of their family member. That's horrid. I know a girl that is just know being charged of a hit and run where she killed someone while under the influence. SHE HAS NO REMORSE ON THE SITUATION AT ALL. And the sad thing is, I bet you she doesn't get more than 5 years. It's ****ed up.

i repeat, i think you take life in prison too lightly, just try to imagine not being free, to live in a 2 by 2 box , for the rest of your life....i don't know about you, but to me, that's worse than being executed, it's my worst nightmare. this all boils down to how highly you regard the human life. i think there is nothing more sacred in this world and that's why i'm against abortion and against the death penalty. there is nothing worse than taking another life. by being for the death penalty, it seems to me that you don't have enough respect for it.
and about the girl, now YOU'RE the one being presumptuous.you have no idea what she feels inside, i'm sure she never meant to kill that person, and i sure as hell don't think she should get executed for it.

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

I don't know what's funnier. You acting like you know everything about everyone again, or your little story about being God's gift to man.

i'm sorry, i never meant for it to come out like i'm gods gift to mankind, i'm nothing special, my point was that the world would be a better place if there were more placid, rational people out there and less agressive people. i was hesitant to make my judgment on cheeseman at the begining of this conversation, but after his nonchalant talk about killing others for such a trivial thing as stealing his car, after he admitted having almost killed a man because of the same thing, and statements how drug dealers should be executed, i can conclude a thing or two about his personality. you're quick to say that i'm a fool to make judgments about anyone i've talked to on-line, and i admit , i can't exactly get the full insight into peoples personalities, but even though this form of comunicating is very impersonal, one can still make an educated guess on the other persons character based on his or her views on matters. for example, i can conclude that you're not completely retarded and that you follow politics, was i presumptuous to think that? i don't think so because i have talked to you on many occasions, not enough to know what makes you tick, but enough to at get an idea....same thing with cheeseman, as i'm sure you would be right in concluding that i'm a calm and fairly intelligent person with a fairly liberal mindset. i see nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by cheeseman

Guy stole my car,I'd been drinking.
I tracked him down at his place, he did a runner so I chased him with my (other) car. I caught up with and proceeded to chase him along the footpath when he stopped dead in his tracks.I did not stop, hitting him square in back, throwing him into a wall.
I then swung my car around to finish it when I misjudged the turn and crashed into a light pole

I am by no means proud of what I did that day.If I hadn't been drinking it might have ended a lot more civilly

i forgot to comment on this statement, you almost killed a man, and if it weren't for that pole, you would have. would you have been happy with a death sentence? i'm assuming you did some time for that, was prison a nice experience? would you recommend it to others?

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by adidasss

i repeat, i think you take life in prison too lightly, just try to imagine not being free, to live in a 2 by 2 box , for the rest of your life....i don't know about you, but to me, that's worse than being executed, it's my worst nightmare. this all boils down to how highly you regard the human life. i think there is nothing more sacred in this world and that's why i'm against abortion and against the death penalty. there is nothing worse than taking another life. by being for the death penalty, it seems to me that you don't have enough respect for it.
and about the girl, now YOU'RE the one being presumptuous.you have no idea what she feels inside, i'm sure she never meant to kill that person, and i sure as hell don't think she should get executed for it.

The girl I'm not being presumptuous about. She used to be my friend. I've seen her at parties since then (she was let out of bond and is due back in court in January) and she has continued drinking, and makes jokes about the accident (in which she drove away from the scene, someone ran her down and found her cleaning the glass out of her dash/seat and she said she left because "what's done is done") so yes I do have a feeling of her inside. I'm sure she didn't either, but the fact is she DID kill the person.

You say there is nothing worse than taking another life, and I agree with you, when someone takes a person's life, there is no equal penalty that you can put on that person to make it fair. Nothing is as drastic as murdering someone and taking the life away. When you do that to someone you deserve to lose what you have taken from someone else. And that's my opinion on it.

By the way, kinda conservative of you to be anti abortion....funny thing is I disagree with you there as I'm pro-choice haha.