so how do you cool kids like this (quote, Lute)

~~bungalow~~ · 06-11-2006, 02:22 PM

Raine is a girl, just thought I would make that clear for you Crowe.

Raine · 06-11-2006, 02:40 PM

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I never said that it did grant "african americans" freedom. However, your education was already questioned and found faulty. You were wrong in your original statement that the Emancipation Proclamation gave the right for people of color to bear arms. A subject that is not even present in the EP. Also when you say "we'll question" you are not a necessary reagent in the questioning of your education. I can do it on my own successfully, as proven.
The EP did, however, grant freedom to SLAVES which would include africans and african americans. (However, when Lincoln announced it, it was only for states that had seceded from the union. The states that were still in the union - commonly known as border states - were not effected by the EP, but rather through their own governments followed suit).
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

I have no clue as to why everyone here thinks I'm a guy. (Something to clear up first)
I can't dissect everything you said on an empty stomach. . .

1) I really don't care what the EP actually did do. I only quoted BungalowBill for saying it gave African Americans freedom. If I'm wrong for saying it gave them the right to bear arms, then fine. As long as I know it didn't give them freedom.
2) I never said Japan's attack on the US was a terrorist attack. I just think it was just. But it's just one of those things that had to happen I guess.
3) In regards to being an American, I can't seem to fathom why some of you care. In just means I was born in America.
4) And his is for Bill: I'm sorry if my toughness intimidates you.

And this is for Bungalow and the dude with the link to Wikipedia.
I read the link, and well. . . it kinda supports some of what I said in regards to African Americans. To sum up paragraph 1 line 6, the EP granted slaves in Confederate territory not under Union control freedom.
To say that the EP granted salves freedom is thus a lie because not all slaves in the US were granted freedom.
Bungalow, you may question my education but don't ever question my ability to read.

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm mighty hungry, thirsty, and I have no money, so it looks like I'm about to hold up the corner store

And for Murder Junkie I have met few Americans that are proud ever since this 9/11 fiasco and the capture of Saddam Hussein. If anything there's been an increase in the availability of cabs in the city. Which I'm sure has nothing to do with all the white people refusing to ride in cabs driven by people who they think pass for Iraqi and is thus related to Saddam Hussein. No lie.

Be back in 5.
Gotta get some grub
Peace

Crowe · 06-11-2006, 03:00 PM

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I have no clue as to why everyone here thinks I'm a guy. (Something to clear up first)

You know, I actually thought you were a girl - but changed it to boy to be safe. However, I cannot for the life of me think why that would be more safe. I thought you were a girl if it is any consolation.

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And this is for Bungalow and the dude with the link to Wikipedia.
I read the link, and well. . . it kinda supports some of what I said in regards to African Americans. To sum up paragraph 1 line 6, the EP granted slaves in Confederate territory not under Union control freedom.
To say that the EP granted salves freedom is thus a lie because not all slaves in the US were granted freedom.
Bungalow, you may question my education but don't ever question my ability to read.

I said all of this in my post, so at least we are on the same page now.

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1) I really don't care what the EP actually did do. I only quoted BungalowBill for saying it gave African Americans freedom. If I'm wrong for saying it gave them the right to bear arms, then fine. As long as I know it didn't give them freedom.

It did give some Africans and African Americans freedom. It literally says, "Slaves" in the EP. And some slaves were Africans and African Americans - so yes, in fact, it did emancipate some of these people. As for all of them, which you and I have stated now... were not freed by this, and had to be freed by local gov'ts.

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2) I never said Japan's attack on the US was a terrorist attack. I just think it was just. But it's just one of those things that had to happen I guess.

I was talking about your 9/11 comment. I don't think that the Japanese attack was a terrorist attack. If you think it was just, that is your opinion - and I also agree that it was a necessary evil.

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3) In regards to being an American, I can't seem to fathom why some of you care. In just means I was born in America.

You were born in America and raised in the American culture. Whether you like it or not, where you were raised speaks volumes for everything that you do and do not- think, say or the way that you act.

jr. · 06-11-2006, 03:02 PM

Sigh.....I'll say this again, and maybe someone will read it this time. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't 'grant' anyone anything. Sure, it proclaimed slaves to be free, but it wasn't (and still isn't, as far as I know), a law. Slaves in the south may have been 'proclaimed' free on January 1, 1863, but they were, in fact, captive slaves far past that date, until the were freed by Union soldiers marching into the south.

1/1/63 wasn't the date in U.S. history when slaves just dropped their hoes and walked out of the fields a free people. Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation didn't take care of anything.

Raine · 06-11-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowe

You know, I actually thought you were a girl - but changed it to boy to be safe. However, I cannot for the life of me think why that would be more safe. I thought you were a girl if it is any consolation.

It's ok.
It's been so long since someone treated me like a girl I've almost forgotten anyhow.

Peace

Crowe · 06-11-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jr.

Sigh.....I'll say this again, and maybe someone will read it this time. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't 'grant' anyone anything. Sure, it proclaimed slaves to be free, but it wasn't (and still isn't, as far as I know), a law. Slaves in the south may have been 'proclaimed' free on January 1, 1863, but they were, in fact, captive slaves far past that date, until the were freed by Union soldiers marching into the south.

1/1/63 wasn't the date in U.S. history when slaves just dropped their hoes and walked out of the fields a free people. Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation didn't take care of anything.

Agreed. However, it did accomplish alternative goals. Cosmetically, this was a presedential promise that slavery was on the way to being abolished.

Raine · 06-11-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowe

Agreed. However, it did accomplish alternative goals. Cosmetically, this was a presedential promise that slavery was on the way to being abolished.

Sounds like Honest Abe wasn't Honest just a Strategist.
Appeal to some people get the vote or appela to soem poeple to get the majority happy or give them false hope.

Peace

TheBig3 · 06-11-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowe

PS: Are people ignoring Big3's posts? Why do you think corruption, and national problems are a unique trait of America? Should we really go through the histories of other countries and bring out the little skeletons in the national closet? Psh.

No one argues with me because it was soundly written and people can't get on a soap box against me easily.

tdoc210 · 06-11-2006, 03:25 PM

*sigh* my thread has turned to a ****ty argument about the emancipation proclomation can i delete this ?

TheBig3 · 06-11-2006, 03:26 PM

No. We can't delete every thread the OP doesn't like becuase its not what they want.

06-11-2006, 03:02 PM	#54 (permalink)
jr. Seeker of Peace Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newark, De. Posts: 341	Sigh.....I'll say this again, and maybe someone will read it this time. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't 'grant' anyone anything. Sure, it proclaimed slaves to be free, but it wasn't (and still isn't, as far as I know), a law. Slaves in the south may have been 'proclaimed' free on January 1, 1863, but they were, in fact, captive slaves far past that date, until the were freed by Union soldiers marching into the south. 1/1/63 wasn't the date in U.S. history when slaves just dropped their hoes and walked out of the fields a free people. Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation didn't take care of anything. __________________ Be strong then, and enter into your own body; there you have a solid place for your feet. ~ Kabir

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tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	sigh my thread has turned to a ****ty argument about the emancipation proclomation can i delete this ? __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

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~~bungalow~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hot-lanta Posts: 3,140	Raine is a girl, just thought I would make that clear for you Crowe.