Controversy (bootleg, listening to music, favorite songs, compact disc, cassette tape)

Doc.DGAF · 05-05-2006, 05:41 PM

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Doc.DGAF · 05-09-2006, 09:20 AM

No one would argue that marijuana is as addictive as alcohol or cocaine. However, it's wrong to say that it is not at all addictive. More and more studies are finding that marijuana has addictive properties. Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams. Tolerance to marijuana also builds up rapidly. Heavy users need 8 times higher doses to get the same effects as infrequent users.For a small percentage of people who use it, marijuana can be highly addictive. It is estimated that 10% to 14% of users will become heavily dependent. More than 120,000 people in the US seek treatment for marijuana addiction every year. Because the consequences of marijuana use can be subtle and insidious, it is more difficult to recognize signs of addiction. Cultural and societal beliefs that marijuana cannot be addictive make it less likely for people to seek help or to get support for quitting.
From Brown University's Health Education Dept.
Marijuana

I think this is 90% fresh from ass bull****, you?

DontRunMeOver · 05-09-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc.DGAF

No one would argue that marijuana is as addictive as alcohol or cocaine. However, it's wrong to say that it is not at all addictive. More and more studies are finding that marijuana has addictive properties. Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams. Tolerance to marijuana also builds up rapidly. Heavy users need 8 times higher doses to get the same effects as infrequent users.For a small percentage of people who use it, marijuana can be highly addictive. It is estimated that 10% to 14% of users will become heavily dependent. More than 120,000 people in the US seek treatment for marijuana addiction every year. Because the consequences of marijuana use can be subtle and insidious, it is more difficult to recognize signs of addiction. Cultural and societal beliefs that marijuana cannot be addictive make it less likely for people to seek help or to get support for quitting.
From Brown University's Health Education Dept.
Marijuana

I think this is 90% fresh from ass bull****, you?

Science is science, it doesn't really matter what our opinions are on it, as research and re-research tends to sort the bullshit from the truth in the end. If Brown are making this up then somebody else will come along soon and show that they were wrong. Scientists love doing this.

Statements like 'heavily dependent' are very vague though. A lot of people could be described as heavily dependent on chocolate, fizzy drinks, episodes of Lost etc. which just means that they become 'addicted' such that they want to have it every day, get a bit grouchy if they don't get it but can still function fine without it (they just hanker after it). Marijuana can definitely have this effect on people, so it may be a case of the Brown researchers stretching the definition to describe people who just use it a lot because they really like it.

DontRunMeOver · 05-09-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc.DGAF

More than 120,000 people in the US seek treatment for marijuana addiction every year.

This doesn't mean that marijuana addictions exists. Probably a few hundred million people in the US visit church and pray every year, you can't take this to mean that god exists.

Doc.DGAF · 05-09-2006, 10:57 AM

I think the people who say they're addicted to marijuana are just using it as an excuse for A)Pity, B)Get out of trouble, or C)An excuse to smoke more pot.

DontRunMeOver · 05-09-2006, 11:15 AM

You might be right.

Dependence is defined (the way that its typically used in describing drug use) as a 'compulsive or chronic need', or along those lines.

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Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams.

That doesn't quite fit the description. You can guess that the symptoms they describe weren't severe (otherwise they would have said 'severe/serious' to push the point).

Doc.DGAF · 05-09-2006, 11:30 AM

Right. But, lemme say this, I get irritable and restless if I don't get any for a few days, doesn't make me a sex addict. Hell, gives me intense dreams too, the kind that make you get up and take a cold shower.

I need to find a more controversial topic don't I?

Doc.DGAF · 05-09-2006, 11:38 AM

From
Addiction—Choice or Disease

By: Stanton Peele, Ph.D., J.D., Senior Fellow, Drug Policy Alliance

Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.’s, view that addicts choose to use seems glib in the face of those addicts like David (son of Robert) Kennedy and Terry (daughter of George) McGovern who were children of privilege who killed themselves with chronic drug/alcohol use. These are extreme cases where the substance seemingly takes over the individual’s ability to choose.
However, I believe it is wrong to generalize their fates to all drug and alcohol misusers, including even quite compulsive users, for whom internal and environmental cues and options continue to play critical roles. John H. Halpern, M.D. appears to make the opposite error, seriously understating the variety of outcomes in addiction and the degree of choice exercised in bringing about these outcomes.
For example, Halpern cites the difficulties that people have in quitting smoking (studies of addicts regularly report nicotine among the drugs that are most difficult to quit). Yet half of all addicted smokers in the U.S. have now quit, and the large majority did so without formal treatment or self-help programs of any type. Question any table of ten or more people, and you will find multiple miracle self-cures!
In fact, surveys of drug and alcohol users, including those deeply dependent on the substances, regularly yield similar results

DontRunMeOver · 05-09-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc.DGAF

From
Addiction—Choice or Disease

By: Stanton Peele, Ph.D., J.D., Senior Fellow, Drug Policy Alliance

Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.’s, view that addicts choose to use seems glib in the face of those addicts like David (son of Robert) Kennedy and Terry (daughter of George) McGovern who were children of privilege who killed themselves with chronic drug/alcohol use. These are extreme cases where the substance seemingly takes over the individual’s ability to choose.
However, I believe it is wrong to generalize their fates to all drug and alcohol misusers, including even quite compulsive users, for whom internal and environmental cues and options continue to play critical roles. John H. Halpern, M.D. appears to make the opposite error, seriously understating the variety of outcomes in addiction and the degree of choice exercised in bringing about these outcomes.
For example, Halpern cites the difficulties that people have in quitting smoking (studies of addicts regularly report nicotine among the drugs that are most difficult to quit). Yet half of all addicted smokers in the U.S. have now quit, and the large majority did so without formal treatment or self-help programs of any type. Question any table of ten or more people, and you will find multiple miracle self-cures!
In fact, surveys of drug and alcohol users, including those deeply dependent on the substances, regularly yield similar results

You're right, we need to find something much more controversial. A quote which suggests that only some addicts are unable to choose, while some addicts have a degree of choice over continuing to follow their addiction seems entirely reasonable and because of this is not very controversial!

How about this:

It doesn't matter who made the music, how they made the music or for what reasons they made the music. All that matters is the final product which enters your ears. If Westlife or Pussycat Dolls recorded a really good song, it would still be a really good song, no matter how naff they are themselves.

DontRunMeOver · 05-09-2006, 05:45 PM

Second one - its not your intentions that matter, its the results of your actions...

05-05-2006, 05:41 PM	#131 (permalink)
Doc.DGAF Uhh-I am Octiposter-huhuh Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 232	cookies! __________________ Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes.-Confucius Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.-Friedrich Nietzsche Now hatred is by far the longest pleasure; men love in haste but they detest at leisure.-Lord Byron Popularity's bad for you. I avoid it like the plague.-Brian Mulrooney

05-09-2006, 09:20 AM	#132 (permalink)
Doc.DGAF Uhh-I am Octiposter-huhuh Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 232	Is Marijuana Addictive? No one would argue that marijuana is as addictive as alcohol or cocaine. However, it's wrong to say that it is not at all addictive. More and more studies are finding that marijuana has addictive properties. Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams. Tolerance to marijuana also builds up rapidly. Heavy users need 8 times higher doses to get the same effects as infrequent users.For a small percentage of people who use it, marijuana can be highly addictive. It is estimated that 10% to 14% of users will become heavily dependent. More than 120,000 people in the US seek treatment for marijuana addiction every year. Because the consequences of marijuana use can be subtle and insidious, it is more difficult to recognize signs of addiction. Cultural and societal beliefs that marijuana cannot be addictive make it less likely for people to seek help or to get support for quitting. From Brown University's Health Education Dept. Marijuana I think this is 90% fresh from ass bull****, you? __________________ Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes.-Confucius Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.-Friedrich Nietzsche Now hatred is by far the longest pleasure; men love in haste but they detest at leisure.-Lord Byron Popularity's bad for you. I avoid it like the plague.-Brian Mulrooney

05-09-2006, 10:57 AM	#135 (permalink)
Doc.DGAF Uhh-I am Octiposter-huhuh Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 232	I think the people who say they're addicted to marijuana are just using it as an excuse for A)Pity, B)Get out of trouble, or C)An excuse to smoke more pot. __________________ Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes.-Confucius Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.-Friedrich Nietzsche Now hatred is by far the longest pleasure; men love in haste but they detest at leisure.-Lord Byron Popularity's bad for you. I avoid it like the plague.-Brian Mulrooney

05-09-2006, 11:30 AM	#137 (permalink)
Doc.DGAF Uhh-I am Octiposter-huhuh Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 232	Right. But, lemme say this, I get irritable and restless if I don't get any for a few days, doesn't make me a sex addict. Hell, gives me intense dreams too, the kind that make you get up and take a cold shower. I need to find a more controversial topic don't I? __________________ Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes.-Confucius Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.-Friedrich Nietzsche Now hatred is by far the longest pleasure; men love in haste but they detest at leisure.-Lord Byron Popularity's bad for you. I avoid it like the plague.-Brian Mulrooney

05-09-2006, 11:38 AM	#138 (permalink)
Doc.DGAF Uhh-I am Octiposter-huhuh Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 232	Alright, tuck this in your panties From Addiction—Choice or Disease By: Stanton Peele, Ph.D., J.D., Senior Fellow, Drug Policy Alliance Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.’s, view that addicts choose to use seems glib in the face of those addicts like David (son of Robert) Kennedy and Terry (daughter of George) McGovern who were children of privilege who killed themselves with chronic drug/alcohol use. These are extreme cases where the substance seemingly takes over the individual’s ability to choose. However, I believe it is wrong to generalize their fates to all drug and alcohol misusers, including even quite compulsive users, for whom internal and environmental cues and options continue to play critical roles. John H. Halpern, M.D. appears to make the opposite error, seriously understating the variety of outcomes in addiction and the degree of choice exercised in bringing about these outcomes. For example, Halpern cites the difficulties that people have in quitting smoking (studies of addicts regularly report nicotine among the drugs that are most difficult to quit). Yet half of all addicted smokers in the U.S. have now quit, and the large majority did so without formal treatment or self-help programs of any type. Question any table of ten or more people, and you will find multiple miracle self-cures! In fact, surveys of drug and alcohol users, including those deeply dependent on the substances, regularly yield similar results __________________ Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes.-Confucius Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.-Friedrich Nietzsche Now hatred is by far the longest pleasure; men love in haste but they detest at leisure.-Lord Byron Popularity's bad for you. I avoid it like the plague.-Brian Mulrooney