jibber

no it's not the worst in the world, but we definitely need more funding, not less. With his system, he'll let the rich put in all the funding they want into THEIR health programs, which is great for them, but not so great fo everyone else, because their health care system will get f*ck-all for funding.

when you're hyperventilating in the emergency room waiting room from the pain you're in, and pass out twice, and all they can do for you is lie you on the floor and give you a paper bag, it's not good.

when you're extremely ill and so dehydrated that you're alertatively passing out and halucinating, and the doctors in the emergency room want only to SEND you home and tell you to drink lots of fluids, even though you can't even look at a glass of water without throwing up, and they refuse to admit you, it's not good.

when a nurse gives you a drug which is written specifically on your file that you're alergic to, its not good

when you start to have a severe alergic reaction to it, and she asks you if you want gold bond cream, its not a good sign

when you stop breathing and need a certain kind of nose drops to unblock you nasal passages, and your nurse is checking her e-mail instead of getting them for you, really not good.

When a doctor misdiagnoses your cousin's apendicitis and she almost dies as a result, it's not good

when you're friend is involved in a near fatal car accident, and the nurse pushes him to get out of bed and walk around before he's even had recontructive surgury, and he doesnt know any better because he's tripped out on way too much morphine (that the nurse administered), it's not good.

That's really nice that you don't give a sh*t about out health care system. Maybe you'll feel differently if its one of your loved ones that doesnt have the money to pay for decent care when they're in need.

As for the "no sympathy for the starving student" deal, it's not about students starving. Not once did I say that. I said that our universities are so crammed with students from lack of funding that they can't possibly accomidate everyone who should be given the cahnce for a good education. Kids with 89% averages have no chance in getting into the field they want to because their marks arent high enough. Do you have kids? if so, I hope for their sake they're not of the age to be applying to university. It was stressfull enough for me, I can't even imagine how bad it's going to get when harper starts cutting funding to pay for his bullsh*t military plan.

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I am sure you will have plenty of time to be stressed about it while skiing and summering in New Zealand. Meanwhile I will be here working, few of us are as fortunate

jibber

good for you. yeah I'm going to be skiing in new zealand, but it's because I work my a** off with a job and going to school full time that I can pay for it. That's really too bad that you feel that you're financial situation isn't what you want it to be, but guess what, it'll be a hell of a lot worse if anything happens to you and you can't support yourself or your family. Have fun next time something happens to you and you find yourself in the hospital with sh*tty health care, and no social programs to fall back on once your sick leave from work runs out.

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been in the hospital plenty, not much to complain about. At your age I'm not sure you are qualified to lecture me, I have been eligable to vote for 12 years.

jibber

maybe where you are the situation is different. here it's definitely something to complain about. Are you really that uncaring that you'd rather spend more on a military that we don't need and leave thousands of people left behind with a system that doesnt feel the need to provide adequate funds for the care they need?

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jibber

that's a real convenient way to completely avoid my arguments, play the age card. Did you have any actual opinions on the suject? or are you just going to make snide remarks about the fact that I'm moving to new zealand for the summer and that I'm 19? great debating skills there. no wonder you're a fan of harper.

real great attitude towards politics you've got there. Don't listen to any of the younger voters if they're interested in their country's politics, it's not as if we'll be inheriting control of the country when you're a senior citizen completely dependent on the social security programs we decide to implement.

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we don't need to spend more on the military we can merely move them from their current occupations. A friend of mine spent a year in Somalia (where we still have soldiers stationed) and spent his time there drinking beer and playing cards, no one even did exercises anymore. We also currently hold occupation in Germany (which I have heard from many servicemen has the BEST whores), what are they doing in Germany???

Our military could probably be more productive in Iraq


As for the healthcare the reason for the shoddy care is simply burnout, the people that occupy these positions which they hate do not have another viable option and the byproduct of this is shoddy workmanship. If there were more career options perhaps these bad apples would seek out other options

jibber

or maybe, it's because there's no funding for health care, which means sh*t wages for anyone working as a nurse or nurses aid. I think that's more the problem than the fact that they don't have any other options, as you put it.

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I really don't think they are destitute, they are in the upper percentile of a lot of Canadians. I am not trying to come off like a jerk but these are the things I feel strongly about, the thing that I am most concerned about is giving half of my money to the government and I want to know what it can do to better ME. I am sure your attitude will change in ten years when you have a career to speak of and wonder where your money is going

adidasss

although i have no insight into the state of your health care or education system, i find it hard to believe that it's as bad as you make it out to be, from what i've heard , canada is a pretty wealthy country...you should come here....check out the hospitals and the colleges.....i think you'd feel a bit better about the situation in canada....

other than that, i think you made very good arguments, i actually read through the entire thread....
oh and:

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