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riseagainstrocks · 01-06-2006, 04:38 PM

I didn't delete it.

You implied (as did most people on this thread) that myself and Vanilla and other people who believe in something (no matter what) higher than themselves who is a creator and has a personal relationship with you is ignorant. hence, my first comment.

This might not be the case with all of you (bill, cheesman, cardboard), but most people who ridicule me for my beliefs have some idea that I don't think for myself, that I am "programmed" as it were to think a certain way by my parents and the community that I was raised in. Well, I wasn't. My parents go to church on Christmas and Easter so they can feel good about themselves I guess. I accepted Christ as my personal savior when I was 13. Why? I felt something pulling at me. I talked with some friends and my parents and after reading the Bible, it dawned on me and I gave myself to the Lord.

Now some of you are probably thinking, why do I care? Well the only reason I related that story is so that you people do not take me for a "brainwashed sheep". What you forget is your lack of faith (I'm not saying it's good or bad) influences you just as much as my faith. You being a athiest or agnostic or whatever molds who you are and your worldview just as much as me being Christian molds my own.

I personally do not need any scientific proof that there is a God. Hell, you can't prove it scientifically anyway (for elaboration, visit my post on the second page...i think it's the second page). It's a personal matter and for you to ridicule me for my own personal beliefs is like me calling you a "sheep" for not drinking, or for being English, or anything else that you hold dear.

and as for Vanilla's risque comments and some I have made on this forum, we are not perfect, nor do we claim to be. I don't think I'm a better person than any of you. I simply think and believe something different than you do.

Cheese · 01-06-2006, 05:11 PM

Well said.
When I was a wee fella if the subject of religion was broached in our house a swift clip round the ears would ensue followed by "there'll be none of that talk in this house." so over a period of time I've learnt to dimiss it.
I do not believe for a moment that by going to church every Sunday will make me a better person, but there are people out there who do.These are the kind of religious zealots who give the rest a bad name.For example a lady who lives next to my mother believes my partner and me are sinners because we are not yet married.My mother countered her argument by telling her it's only a sin if you're looking at from a religious viewpoint..

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't have a problem with people who choose to believe in god, it's the ones that take it one step further that irritate me.

sleepy jack · 01-06-2006, 05:14 PM

Um, i don't think christians are the only ones guilty of that. Loads of athiests force anti-jesus crap down everyones throat and immediatly dismiss christians off as dumbasses.Just pointing it out though.

Cheese · 01-06-2006, 05:33 PM

True.....I don't know where I stand.Not sure if it's athiest,agnostic or none of the above.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-06-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I didn't delete it.

You implied (as did most people on this thread) that myself and Vanilla and other people who believe in something (no matter what) higher than themselves who is a creator and has a personal relationship with you is ignorant. hence, my first comment.

This might not be the case with all of you (bill, cheesman, cardboard), but most people who ridicule me for my beliefs have some idea that I don't think for myself, that I am "programmed" as it were to think a certain way by my parents and the community that I was raised in. Well, I wasn't. My parents go to church on Christmas and Easter so they can feel good about themselves I guess. I accepted Christ as my personal savior when I was 13. Why? I felt something pulling at me. I talked with some friends and my parents and after reading the Bible, it dawned on me and I gave myself to the Lord.

Now some of you are probably thinking, why do I care? Well the only reason I related that story is so that you people do not take me for a "brainwashed sheep". What you forget is your lack of faith (I'm not saying it's good or bad) influences you just as much as my faith. You being a athiest or agnostic or whatever molds who you are and your worldview just as much as me being Christian molds my own.

I personally do not need any scientific proof that there is a God. Hell, you can't prove it scientifically anyway (for elaboration, visit my post on the second page...i think it's the second page). It's a personal matter and for you to ridicule me for my own personal beliefs is like me calling you a "sheep" for not drinking, or for being English, or anything else that you hold dear.

and as for Vanilla's risque comments and some I have made on this forum, we are not perfect, nor do we claim to be. I don't think I'm a better person than any of you. I simply think and believe something different than you do.

That was really well said, and I completely relate to your "brainwashing" point. I didn't believe properly until I was nearly 17, I discovered that through mum, God worked to get me back on the right track, I was going through a really bad-ass period, and it really opened my eyes when I was nearly kicked out at 16. Now I realise how damn lucky and rich I am, that I'm better off then most people and I want to take advantage of my easy life and help someone else. God is the reason I am truely happy today. And I'm serious, I am really, really happy.

That might of been a waste of time me telling you that, but I want you guys to see that believing isn't a waste of time for some people, it gives us hope, gives us something to work for, to live for.

I'm never going to be ashamed of what I believe in. I'm in it 100%. So I hope that from now on you guys won't try and bring us down for it.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-06-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

That was really well said, and I completely relate to your "brainwashing" point. I didn't believe properly until I was nearly 17, I discovered that through mum, God worked to get me back on the right track, I was going through a really bad-ass period, and it really opened my eyes when I was nearly kicked out at 16. Now I realise how damn lucky and rich I am, that I'm better off then most people and I want to take advantage of my easy life and help someone else. God is the reason I am truely happy today. And I'm serious, I am really, really happy.

That might of been a waste of time me telling you that, but I want you guys to see that believing isn't a waste of time for some people, it gives us hope, gives us something to work for, to live for.

I'm never going to be ashamed of what I believe in. I'm in it 100%. So I hope that from now on you guys won't try and bring us down for it.

Thats one thing i`ve tended to notice.People who dislike religion tend to focus on the negetive aspects of it rather than the positives.

Personally i`m not religious at all but if someone finds something in it that benefits them who is anybody else to discredit them for it.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-06-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I didn't delete it.

You implied (as did most people on this thread) that myself and Vanilla and other people who believe in something (no matter what) higher than themselves who is a creator and has a personal relationship with you is ignorant. hence, my first comment.

This might not be the case with all of you (bill, cheesman, cardboard), but most people who ridicule me for my beliefs have some idea that I don't think for myself, that I am "programmed" as it were to think a certain way by my parents and the community that I was raised in. Well, I wasn't. My parents go to church on Christmas and Easter so they can feel good about themselves I guess. I accepted Christ as my personal savior when I was 13. Why? I felt something pulling at me. I talked with some friends and my parents and after reading the Bible, it dawned on me and I gave myself to the Lord.

Now some of you are probably thinking, why do I care? Well the only reason I related that story is so that you people do not take me for a "brainwashed sheep". What you forget is your lack of faith (I'm not saying it's good or bad) influences you just as much as my faith. You being a athiest or agnostic or whatever molds who you are and your worldview just as much as me being Christian molds my own.

I personally do not need any scientific proof that there is a God. Hell, you can't prove it scientifically anyway (for elaboration, visit my post on the second page...i think it's the second page). It's a personal matter and for you to ridicule me for my own personal beliefs is like me calling you a "sheep" for not drinking, or for being English, or anything else that you hold dear.

and as for Vanilla's risque comments and some I have made on this forum, we are not perfect, nor do we claim to be. I don't think I'm a better person than any of you. I simply think and believe something different than you do.

Rise, I love you hehe. I believe strongly in my God, and it has a great impact on my life everyday. As a martial artist, im trained to fight, but id rather walk away, because I love my religion.
People mock me all the time, but I feel God with me everyday, and I know he loves me. And for that, I will never deny my beliefs.
And id rather be a sheep led into paradise, than an individul cast into damnation.
A good saying my preacher used 'if you live your life like thier is no God, you better pray their isn't'.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-06-2006, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Thats one thing i`ve tended to notice.People who dislike religion tend to focus on the negetive aspects of it rather than the positives.

Personally i`m not religious at all but if someone finds something in it that benefits them who is anybody else to discredit them for it.

But if you don't like something, you arn't exactly going to think about anything postive, you are going to focus on why it makes you angry, and base that as an arguement.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-06-2006, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

Rise, I love you hehe. I believe strongly in my God, and it has a great impact on my life everyday. As a martial artist, im trained to fight, but id rather walk away, because I love my religion.
People mock me all the time, but I feel God with me everyday, and I know he loves me. And for that, I will never deny my beliefs.
And id rather be a sheep led into paradise, than an individul cast into damnation.
A good saying my preacher used 'if you live your life like thier is no God, you better pray their isn't'.

That was awesome, it actually brought a tear to my eye because it made me so happy that I can share your love for God, and yes, I can feel him alongside me EVERY step of the way. God never gives up on me, or anyone.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-06-2006, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla

But if you don't like something, you arn't exactly going to think about anything postive, you are going to focus on why it makes you angry, and base that as an arguement.

true but things are never that black & white. Finding that it isn`t for you and saying that is different to dismissing anyone who does find something in it.

01-06-2006, 04:38 PM	#51 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	I didn't delete it. You implied (as did most people on this thread) that myself and Vanilla and other people who believe in something (no matter what) higher than themselves who is a creator and has a personal relationship with you is ignorant. hence, my first comment. This might not be the case with all of you (bill, cheesman, cardboard), but most people who ridicule me for my beliefs have some idea that I don't think for myself, that I am "programmed" as it were to think a certain way by my parents and the community that I was raised in. Well, I wasn't. My parents go to church on Christmas and Easter so they can feel good about themselves I guess. I accepted Christ as my personal savior when I was 13. Why? I felt something pulling at me. I talked with some friends and my parents and after reading the Bible, it dawned on me and I gave myself to the Lord. Now some of you are probably thinking, why do I care? Well the only reason I related that story is so that you people do not take me for a "brainwashed sheep". What you forget is your lack of faith (I'm not saying it's good or bad) influences you just as much as my faith. You being a athiest or agnostic or whatever molds who you are and your worldview just as much as me being Christian molds my own. I personally do not need any scientific proof that there is a God. Hell, you can't prove it scientifically anyway (for elaboration, visit my post on the second page...i think it's the second page). It's a personal matter and for you to ridicule me for my own personal beliefs is like me calling you a "sheep" for not drinking, or for being English, or anything else that you hold dear. and as for Vanilla's risque comments and some I have made on this forum, we are not perfect, nor do we claim to be. I don't think I'm a better person than any of you. I simply think and believe something different than you do. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

01-06-2006, 05:11 PM	#52 (permalink)
Cheese Shadow on the wall Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 823	Well said. When I was a wee fella if the subject of religion was broached in our house a swift clip round the ears would ensue followed by "there'll be none of that talk in this house." so over a period of time I've learnt to dimiss it. I do not believe for a moment that by going to church every Sunday will make me a better person, but there are people out there who do.These are the kind of religious zealots who give the rest a bad name.For example a lady who lives next to my mother believes my partner and me are sinners because we are not yet married.My mother countered her argument by telling her it's only a sin if you're looking at from a religious viewpoint.. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't have a problem with people who choose to believe in god, it's the ones that take it one step further that irritate me.

01-06-2006, 05:33 PM	#54 (permalink)
Cheese Shadow on the wall Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 823	True.....I don't know where I stand.Not sure if it's athiest,agnostic or none of the above.