Prove Jesus Christ exists, judge orders priest (quote)

sleepy jack · 01-07-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm

Hey presto ^

Thank you.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexisonfire

Thank you.

Haha.
Its only a theory...but then again isn't God?

sleepy jack · 01-07-2006, 05:14 PM

Yes, a theory which people choose to believe.
Personally i don't think people should be attacked for their beliefs on something like this.
Questioned yes, but sh*t like the stuff between bungalowbill and vanilla was just petty.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexisonfire

Yes, a theory which people choose to believe.
Personally i don't think people should be attacked for their beliefs on something like this.
Questioned yes, but sh*t like the stuff between bungalowbill and vanilla was just petty.

Agreed...I'm a sceptic on most things, religion being one of those.

I respect peoples beliefs because it brings them purpose and happiness.

It's worth the belief for that spin off alone.

Barnard17 · 01-07-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

I respect peoples beliefs because it brings them purpose and happiness.

I respect their beliefs unless they start bringing it up without asking. Placebo effects can be garnered from most things, even nihilism (to an extent). Indeed nocebo effects can also be created by beliefs (if you start believing you're possessed by a daemon, chances are you're going to start feeling pretty crappy). It works both ways.

Cheese · 01-07-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexisonfire

Yes, a theory which people choose to believe.
Personally i don't think people should be attacked for their beliefs on something like this.
Questioned yes, but sh*t like the stuff between bungalowbill and vanilla was just petty.

Agreed, but no offence to Vanilla, she does get all fanatical when it comes to matters of religion which I say good for her.But it's even put me on the defensive a few times.

I know she doesn't mean it, but if you're passionate about your cause sometimes things will be said that will turn into disputes.

cardboard adolescent · 01-07-2006, 05:39 PM

theory
n.
a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation

By that definition neither God nor Christianity are a "theory," as they are in no way based on Scientific evidence or experimentation.

As for the "if not for God, where did the Universe come from?" bit, many people seem to think that putting God into the equation seems to solve the whole Universal mystery, but where did God come from? Has he always been here? Did he just pop into existence? I guess whatever your answer to that question could be the same answer to "where did the Universe come from?" Either way, we're just guessing because it's one of those things that's impossible to know.

And I'm not really talking about the Big Bang theory here, because that explains how the Universe formed, but not where it came from... why there was a tiny point of infinitely dense mass that just decided to explode... that bit.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

theory
n.
a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation

By that definition neither God nor Christianity are a "theory," as they are in no way based on Scientific evidence or experimentation.

As for the "if not for God, where did the Universe come from?" bit, many people seem to think that putting God into the equation seems to solve the whole Universal mystery, but where did God come from? Has he always been here? Did he just pop into existence? I guess whatever your answer to that question could be the same answer to "where did the Universe come from?" Either way, we're just guessing because it's one of those things that's impossible to know.

And I'm not really talking about the Big Bang theory here, because that explains how the Universe formed, but not where it came from... why there was a tiny point of infinitely dense mass that just decided to explode... that bit.

All true...well said.

Barnard17 · 01-07-2006, 05:46 PM

I've always loved that. Science seeks to explain something, we don't know where the matter in the big bang came from so Christians reject it. But it's perfectly acceptable to believe that a God existed from nowhere with no explanation needed.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fal

I've always loved that. Science seeks to explain something, we don't know where the matter in the big bang came from so Christians reject it. But it's perfectly acceptable to believe that a God existed from nowhere with no explanation needed.

Just to balance things out, or an attempt to any way, the most rational Scientists, even those who refuse to believe in God, admit to a lack of completeness in our understanding of the universe.

They will admit that neither God nor the Bible can be proved or disproved by science, just as many of their favourite theories ultimately cannot be proved or disproved.
Science is meant to be a truly neutral discipline, seeking only the truth, not proof of an agenda.
And God has always intended us to come to Him through faith, not through logic.

I have more faith in science than I have in religion.
Years ago it was the other way around...in years to come as I near my end, who knows what I will think then...

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	theory n. a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation By that definition neither God nor Christianity are a "theory," as they are in no way based on Scientific evidence or experimentation. As for the "if not for God, where did the Universe come from?" bit, many people seem to think that putting God into the equation seems to solve the whole Universal mystery, but where did God come from? Has he always been here? Did he just pop into existence? I guess whatever your answer to that question could be the same answer to "where did the Universe come from?" Either way, we're just guessing because it's one of those things that's impossible to know. And I'm not really talking about the Big Bang theory here, because that explains how the Universe formed, but not where it came from... why there was a tiny point of infinitely dense mass that just decided to explode... that bit.