Jazz has one huge problem
 

What is jazz about? do you enjoy Jazz?

Well you dont, you dont enjoy jazz, you appreciate jazz mostly, yes sometimes it can be enjoyable when you listen to bill Evans or Dave Brubeck classically trained musicians or some remarkable and rare posts like "Kind of blue".
but jazz is mostly about appreciating good playing performance in a solo,

jazz is mostly for musicians because its really not about pleasure or even about about music as like classical music is about music, its about you, its about extending your limits of playing, expressing your nature through playing in a solo, sometimes it is even egoistic and a sort of competition between players who will out play who..in just a few chords of a particular piece that is bebop.
yes Jazz can sometimes be pleasurable for instance if maybe a sax plays slowly and gives you some mood or atmosphere by playing some random or not random long notes and it can be not bad sometimes really for that particular moment but i wonder who remembers it after its done besides remembering the person who played and remember oh yes hes a good player but what did he play? oh gosh i dont know..Jazz has one huge problem, its does not like silence!.

No. I do in fact enjoy jazz.

Yeah, it's threads like this that make me sad.

Just a little.

Like, this > < much. (Put your thumb and forefinger up to the screen and measure.)

Now keeping that same measurement, hold it up to your eye.

Now slowly move it away from your eye as far as you can.

Perception. The word of the day.

Everyday.

Apparently, neither do you. If you would quit talking and start listening, you might find that jazz, like any form of music, offers a world of pleasurable, dramatic and often breathtaking musical experiences. With respect, You need to get your sh*t straight, son.

Dude, you obviously haven't listened to much jazz.

Also, I love how he assumes everyone enjoys things the exact same way he does. Hilarious.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous topic I've read so far.

Jazz has one huge problem: heroin.

Clearly you've never listened to jazz on heroin.

i enjoy the jazz.Most of time.Some times the act increase the value.In normal routine i think its good.

i don't even see the point of this thread

if you actually play jazz and not just listen to it, you'll see a lot of work has gone into it

there is no "competition" between members, they have to be in tandem unless you're freejazzing, and even that have "rules"

jazz theory is very "mathematical" and are not random spurts of spontaniety

to achieve that level of getting everything right by the first take and "spontaneity", you need to have a good grasp of theory and your ears must be sound

i mean, Miles studied at Julliard - nobody really hears it, but he did

Can be a huge advantage actually.

depends on who is using it

good - Billie Holiday, Charlie Parker

bad - Chet Baker

I love Charlie Parker. I've never been much for Billie Holiday. Prefer Jazz without singing and I'm a bit eh about the vocals here.

Don't know about Chet Baker so I can't comment.

I love Charlie Parker but I wouldn't say heroin did him any favors.

made him play faster?

I don't think heroin would necessarily do that.

I meant in terms of his wellbeing. But why would an opiate make anyone do anything faster?

you lose sense of time?

Why would that make you play faster?

I think it's more to do with the after-effects of heroin. Being on the "run". You get driven and lose sense. I'm on a lot of sedatives medically (granted they are not the same as opiates) and when I don't take one dose it's quite earth-shattering and everything's on speed. It's just a theory though, I'm no expert.

Well regardless, my original comment about heroin was meant as a joke anyway.

yeah

i know, some of my meds are opiates

Jazz has one huge problem: smooth jazz

mine is serious

i am of the camp that taking drugs do enhance creativity

bebop wouldn't be so lopsided, technical and fast if Bird didn't take heroin

^

Yeah, but not all drugs enhance creativity. I've actually never done heroin (never will) but I didn't think of it as being a creativity enhancer.

i dunno - try comparing Billie Holiday before and after heroin

pre-heroin - sprightly dancey numbers

post-heroin - world-weariness and aged wisdom

:laughing:

Yeah, but that may have been the experience of using heroin itself, not the actual effects of it.

Yeah Heroin didn't give Billie Holiday new insights into world weariness and aged wisdom. It just became a trap she couldn't escape from and dragged her down. I think she might have done work that was just as achingly beautiful and worldy in her later years without heroin, but it might not have been so unrelentingly sad and hopeless. I have a hard time listening to stuff like 'Lady in Satin' because it is just so grim and sad. She was f*cked and she knew it.

Tell me how you think and I'll respect your perspective. Tell me how to think and you can go f*ck yourself.

Sorry, sorry! Just blundered in here by mistake! Don't mind me: just HAVE to pinch that for my very first quote in a sig ever! Kudos, Dave! Kudos my friend! :clap:

Whats wrong taste like?

Wow you just summed up my feelings about the current state of politics in America. Heavy.

politics is **** everywhere

face it, they're all evil

I'd rather listen to JAZZ, baby....

yeah, jazz is definitely darker and more evil

Cool :beer: You join Antonio as the only other person with some of my words as their sig hehe. Vegangelica had asked to use one of my lines in the past but I don't think she ever updated her profile.

I never felt this way about jazz in general, but I did feel this way about the blues, as far as appreciating rather than enjoying the idiom is concerned. As I actually developed an appreciation for the blues that changed and its value as an enjoyment became clearer. That's true for a lot of other things. I think that the above is the expression of a person that really has an incompletely developed appreciation for the form in the first place.