Jazz has one huge problem

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 06-08-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elijah.s7

jazz is mostly for musicians because its really not about pleasure or even about about music as like classical music is about music, its about you, its about extending your limits of playing, expressing your nature through playing in a solo, sometimes it is even egoistic and a sort of competition between players who will out play who..in just a few chords of a particular piece that is bebop.

Your description of bebop is so truncated and general that it is pretty much useless. It's more applicable to rock than to bop jazz.

Bop isn't about being egoistic, it's about losing ego by playing what is in your heart at that moment. It is existential music, so of-the-moment that it melts away as it being played--like snowflakes landing on your hand.

There's no reason a listener can't get pleasure from as much as a musician just as with any other style of music.

Basically, if you can only listen to appreciate because you can't enjoy--stop listening.

**Goofle** · 06-14-2013, 04:08 PM

The problem with Jazz is the word Jazz. It's crap.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 06-14-2013, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

The problem with Jazz is the word Jazz. It's crap.

Wrong bodily excretion, I'm afraid.

Necromancer · 06-14-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

Wrong bodily excretion, I'm afraid.

Agreed.^

What do you think of Steely Dan Lord Larehip? And their classification and style of Jazz Fusion.

Of course, they crossover and add different elements of style and genres in their music, especially according what particular album by them is being analyzed and discussed.

s_k · 06-14-2013, 04:37 PM

I have a shirt with "Jazz we Can" on it, and it's epic.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 06-14-2013, 11:53 PM

Since I have all of Steely Dan's material and solo album by Donald ***en then I must be a fan. My favorite SD album is "The Royal Scam" although "Gaucho" and "Katy Lied" are up there. Of the original lineup, "Countdown to Ecstasy" is my favorite. During that time, Walter Becker was the bassist (although he is a terrific guitarist). By "The Royal Scam" the band was basically just Becker and ***en with various studio guys joining in as Victor Feldman, Chuck Rainey, Larry Carlton, Bernard Purdie (whose drumming was overlaid on Pete Best's tracks for the stuff the Silver Beatles recorded with Tony Sheridan), Timothy B. Schmit, Rick Marotta, etc. Although Denny Dias from the original lineup makes an appearance. By this time, Becker was finally playing guitar.

But I really enjoyed the groove they hit on "Hey, Nineteen" which features Becker back on the bass. Although Becker claimed Chuck Rainey was a cut or two above him as a bassist, I do enjoy the bass-playing of Becker after he returned to the instrument. Not that he wasn't good before but definitely he had learned something in that off-time. I guess you can't jam with Chuck Rainey and not learn a thing or two about the bass.

When I think of my favorite Dan songs, few are jazz. "Hey, Nineteen" was jazz but "You Won't Take Me Alive" is rock (with the lead solo at the beginning of the song), "Bodhisattva" is blues as is "Chain Lightning." "The Fez", well, I don't know what "The Fez" is. Their jazziest album is probably "Aja" and, to be honest, I don't care too much for it. It has some kick-ass bass work by Chuck Rainey but it just didn't move me the way "The Royal Scam" did. Yet, I do definitely regard as a fusion band for some reason.

In fact, the song "The Royal Scam" has the best lyrics of all their songs. I love the verse:

"And they are hounded down to the bottom of a bad town
Amidst the ruins
Where they learn to fear an angry race of fallen kings
Their dark companions
Where the memory of their southern sky
Was clouded by the savage winter
Where every patron saint hung on the wall
Shared the room with twenty sinners"

That was brilliant!

Factoids:
-***en and Becker were once members of Jay & the Americans.
-Steely Dan is the name of giant ***** in a Japanese sex contest in Burroughs' "Naked Lunch"
-***en and Becker are huge fans of Laura Nyro and claim her as a major songwriting influence.
-Chevy Chase was one of the band's very early drummers.

Plankton · 06-21-2013, 09:43 AM

Aja is probably my favorite. Meh. Different strokes and all that jazz.

Guybrush · 06-21-2013, 09:56 AM

Jazz is an influence on Steely Dan for sure, but I generally think a discussion on SD belongs more in a rock thread than in a jazz thread. To me, they're a rock band. (And yes, I love Aja!)

Big Ears · 06-21-2013, 11:40 AM

Jazz sounds like everybody's playing different things at the same time.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 06-21-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Ears

Jazz sounds like everybody's playing different things at the same time.

No that would be Beefheart.

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~~Lord Larehip~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 899	Since I have all of Steely Dan's material and solo album by Donald *en then I must be a fan. My favorite SD album is "The Royal Scam" although "Gaucho" and "Katy Lied" are up there. Of the original lineup, "Countdown to Ecstasy" is my favorite. During that time, Walter Becker was the bassist (although he is a terrific guitarist). By "The Royal Scam" the band was basically just Becker and en with various studio guys joining in as Victor Feldman, Chuck Rainey, Larry Carlton, Bernard Purdie (whose drumming was overlaid on Pete Best's tracks for the stuff the Silver Beatles recorded with Tony Sheridan), Timothy B. Schmit, Rick Marotta, etc. Although Denny Dias from the original lineup makes an appearance. By this time, Becker was finally playing guitar. But I really enjoyed the groove they hit on "Hey, Nineteen" which features Becker back on the bass. Although Becker claimed Chuck Rainey was a cut or two above him as a bassist, I do enjoy the bass-playing of Becker after he returned to the instrument. Not that he wasn't good before but definitely he had learned something in that off-time. I guess you can't jam with Chuck Rainey and not learn a thing or two about the bass. When I think of my favorite Dan songs, few are jazz. "Hey, Nineteen" was jazz but "You Won't Take Me Alive" is rock (with the lead solo at the beginning of the song), "Bodhisattva" is blues as is "Chain Lightning." "The Fez", well, I don't know what "The Fez" is. Their jazziest album is probably "Aja" and, to be honest, I don't care too much for it. It has some kick-ass bass work by Chuck Rainey but it just didn't move me the way "The Royal Scam" did. Yet, I do definitely regard as a fusion band for some reason. In fact, the song "The Royal Scam" has the best lyrics of all their songs. I love the verse: "And they are hounded down to the bottom of a bad town Amidst the ruins Where they learn to fear an angry race of fallen kings Their dark companions Where the memory of their southern sky Was clouded by the savage winter Where every patron saint hung on the wall Shared the room with twenty sinners" That was brilliant! Factoids: -en and Becker were once members of Jay & the Americans. -Steely Dan is the name of giant * in a Japanese sex contest in Burroughs' "Naked Lunch" -*en and Becker are huge fans of Laura Nyro and claim her as a major songwriting influence. -Chevy Chase was one of the band's very early drummers.