Enjoyment and appreciation are not something people are going to confuse except the OP, I guess.

I actually appreciate most music, but I only enjoy some of it, and sometimes I enjoy music without appreciation for it (pop/rock).

Their is something to be said about recognizing the difference between enjoyment and appreciation when it comes to art.

There is even more to be said about recognizing that we all see things differently in terms of appreciation and enjoyment and appreciating that rather than assuming everyone should feel the same way you do or that you know everyone.

I find some jazz enjoyable. Miles Davis and Django Reinhardt for me, please.

jazz is awaesome

IDK the only thing I can think of is a seeming lack of rhythm, bass percussion, and pattern/organization.

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It seems this way because the rock/pop musical rhetoric tends to over simplify all of these concepts. We're used to hearing everything in a straight, well-grounded 4/4, or 3/4 beat, with 3-4 chords, and songs where you can easily predict what the next chord/note will be, or when the chorus is gonna hit.

Jazz forces the listener to listen, actively listen, and recognize complex patterns and organizations, and try to understand the themes which they convey. A lot, but not all, of rock/pop-oriented music relies on words and simplistic structure to tell the listener what the theme is, rather than have the listener use their own imagination, or powers of creative interpretation.

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the only problem i see with jazz is that im still not playing it.. when im in it there will sure be some new things about it.

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Well this is a very subjective outlook on life, lol.

I think it's Gerald Albright, a smooth jazz sax player who claims he's accessible to his audience. I think he's the one who gives sax lessons via Internet too, or at least that's what Music Choice says.

Try happy Smooth Jazz. For example, Vito's Vittles by the band Comfort Zone. Also some Latin Jazz is very good and not evil at all.

Your description of bebop is so truncated and general that it is pretty much useless. It's more applicable to rock than to bop jazz.

Bop isn't about being egoistic, it's about losing ego by playing what is in your heart at that moment. It is existential music, so of-the-moment that it melts away as it being played--like snowflakes landing on your hand.

There's no reason a listener can't get pleasure from as much as a musician just as with any other style of music.

Basically, if you can only listen to appreciate because you can't enjoy--stop listening.

A lot.

The problem with Jazz is the word Jazz. It's crap.

I have a shirt with "Jazz we Can" on it, and it's epic.

Wrong bodily excretion, I'm afraid.

Agreed.^

What do you think of Steely Dan Lord Larehip? And their classification and style of Jazz Fusion.

Of course, they crossover and add different elements of style and genres in their music, especially according what particular album by them is being analyzed and discussed.

Since I have all of Steely Dan's material and solo album by Donald ***en then I must be a fan. My favorite SD album is "The Royal Scam" although "Gaucho" and "Katy Lied" are up there. Of the original lineup, "Countdown to Ecstasy" is my favorite. During that time, Walter Becker was the bassist (although he is a terrific guitarist). By "The Royal Scam" the band was basically just Becker and ***en with various studio guys joining in as Victor Feldman, Chuck Rainey, Larry Carlton, Bernard Purdie (whose drumming was overlaid on Pete Best's tracks for the stuff the Silver Beatles recorded with Tony Sheridan), Timothy B. Schmit, Rick Marotta, etc. Although Denny Dias from the original lineup makes an appearance. By this time, Becker was finally playing guitar.

But I really enjoyed the groove they hit on "Hey, Nineteen" which features Becker back on the bass. Although Becker claimed Chuck Rainey was a cut or two above him as a bassist, I do enjoy the bass-playing of Becker after he returned to the instrument. Not that he wasn't good before but definitely he had learned something in that off-time. I guess you can't jam with Chuck Rainey and not learn a thing or two about the bass.

When I think of my favorite Dan songs, few are jazz. "Hey, Nineteen" was jazz but "You Won't Take Me Alive" is rock (with the lead solo at the beginning of the song), "Bodhisattva" is blues as is "Chain Lightning." "The Fez", well, I don't know what "The Fez" is. Their jazziest album is probably "Aja" and, to be honest, I don't care too much for it. It has some kick-ass bass work by Chuck Rainey but it just didn't move me the way "The Royal Scam" did. Yet, I do definitely regard as a fusion band for some reason.

In fact, the song "The Royal Scam" has the best lyrics of all their songs. I love the verse:

"And they are hounded down to the bottom of a bad town
Amidst the ruins
Where they learn to fear an angry race of fallen kings
Their dark companions
Where the memory of their southern sky
Was clouded by the savage winter
Where every patron saint hung on the wall
Shared the room with twenty sinners"

That was brilliant!

Factoids:
-***en and Becker were once members of Jay & the Americans.
-Steely Dan is the name of giant ***** in a Japanese sex contest in Burroughs' "Naked Lunch"
-***en and Becker are huge fans of Laura Nyro and claim her as a major songwriting influence.
-Chevy Chase was one of the band's very early drummers.

Aja is probably my favorite. Meh. Different strokes and all that jazz.

Jazz is an influence on Steely Dan for sure, but I generally think a discussion on SD belongs more in a rock thread than in a jazz thread. To me, they're a rock band. (And yes, I love Aja!)

Jazz sounds like everybody's playing different things at the same time.

No that would be Beefheart.

I really don't think Steely Dan is jazz...

Apparently you only think you do according to OP.

Most music involves people playing different things at the same time.

That's why I'm a southern rock man, myself. 4 guitars and a kit. No need for any of that fancy, city ****.

Sarcastic Yankees be lovin this thread (because they have a clue)

I enjoy the jazz most of the time..

I do not like or enjoy jazz, it's one of the few types of music I just can't get into.

Can we please let this thread die already? Jazz is music. People enjoy it. For the love of God, it's just not a difficult concept to understand.

Jazz has one huge problem: it's just too wonderful for words.

What about the American heroine epidemic it started in the early 20th century?

There was an epidemic of female heroes in the early 20th century?

...heroin...And you delete my posts for being pointless?

Your post wasn't deleted. :confused:

I have had like 15 posts deleted from the lounge in the last day. Not saying its you necessarily, just the mods now seem to pick certain posts to move or delete and then leave others that are hardly beneficial to a specific thread up.

I guess my point is (again not speaking to you in particular or anything) that while the music forums should be closely watched (you guys do a great job at that) the lounge should be nowhere near as strict. Every other forum I am at approaches moderating this way and it seems to attract more members and keep the boards more active. I also realize this isnt the place to discuss this but I dont know where else to do so.

Like DUH you could've put it here:
http://www.musicbanter.com/announcem...ing-posts.html