Source?

Wouldn't be surprised, metal fans tend to be pretty dedicated.

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via Spotify Insights

This is globally, but it tends to vary from country to country. Hip Hop ranks highest in Norway, for example.

about metalheads' loyalty i d its hardly suprising....

where i m from metal was pretty popular in the 90s,you could see it literaly in scools and downtown. but nowadays teenagers in metal band shirts are a total rarity.

theres still big interest in metal concerts but from people >30years old..

i like a few white rappers: aesop rock, el-p, the guys from cLOUDEAD, sage francis, 2maybe 3 albums by buck 65. most of those things you could tag as nerd-hiphop i guess and i also guess that their social impact is next to nothing [i could probably exclude el-p?]
and...ok, usually they suck.
on the other hand good white (many times instrumental) hiphop producers are not that rare..

"hip hop popular to "rebellious" whites for the same reason blues was"
seems to me that the above phrase is mostly true but then again i have a distant view of whats happening in the us, even western europe. and that view is probably distorted by the media i like to keep up with sooooo i dunno.

Drake's black, son.

Even Obama is blacker than Drake tbh.

Drake's from America though.

So was Elvis.

And what is this "worst approach to music"?

The unholistic, 100% formal approach that school bands teach where things like improvisation, individualism, and playing with passion are alien concepts.

EDIT: I don't think that music theory is without value btw, I just find the current model that I've seen in American schools to be overly limited and more restrictive of artistry than anything.

Assuming people are creative and can think for themselves, I'd say there's nothing wrong with getting a foundation during school years. Now, if you go to the conservatory and learn to become a complete robot and then go on to form a prog metal band, you may be lost forever.

Do you know if it's similar in Denmark?

My school years are well behind me and I didn't have music classes after public school, so I can't say for sure. But I do work at a public school with my office being very close to the music class room and I do know that Danish education systems have gone through massive changes over the last decade. My impression is that there is a general attempt at getting away from old fashioned teaching models, with more focus being placed on discovery, cooperation and independent thinking. I'd assume music education is not unaffected by this push towards more open forms of education.

But I don't know for sure. I'm just extrapolating from what I know more generally.

Not sure how different it is out there but in America we're seeing a similar upheaval. It doesn't seem to be affecting the art departments because there isn't standardized testing built around it, so there aren't any funding related justifications for improving it.

There's some of that focus on testing here as well, but my impression is that there's a will to allocate money towards all sorts of new efforts. Our school has 3D printers, green screen, all sorts of programmable robots and such, in a push to teach even young students more about how technology works.

Although the only money I know for sure went towards music at the school recently was when they got a whole bunch of ukuleles. But the kids are sitting everywhere playing those things some days, so it seems a success.

Some areas definitely get more funding than others, but then again, how much money do you even need to sink into music when you already have all sorts of instruments and electronics.

Ah, so expect a synth heavy band recital this year! :laughing:

They're playing the school's ukes? I remember it was trendy to carry around a uke and occasionally fart out a few chords when I was in high school.

That would be great!
But when I hear what the kids play on their phones, it's mostly trap and hip hop. No matter their age, really. Clearly the really huge genres right now.

They're mostly being used by the 4, 5 and 6 graders. But yeah, within a couple weeks, some of them were already getting a handle on it pretty good.
The school bought them specifically because they would be simpler to learn than full size acoustic guitars.

All music theory and no art make Adam Neely a dull boy.

I guess I don't see as sharp a divide, since I expect that any musician who will have anything to say musically won't take any harm from learning a bunch of tools in-depth.

The muso-robots bred from music academia wouldn't have had much to give the world musically if they had taken another path. I basically don't think it's formal music education that's the problem.

Muso-robots don't occur in a vacuum mate, they're a product of the textbook methods of music education that force a dichotomy between performers and composers (not intentionally, they're just furthering an archaic philosophy of music), which is why said robots are so prominent in academia.

TBF I've known band kids and they were never going to be more exciting than a John Philip Sousa cover band under any circumstances.

whats a a John Philip Sousa cover band?

Any high school band ever probably.

dharma ok cool!
seriously i also think that a little music theory wont harm anyone and its not going to destroy your talent or creational self or whatever. in many cases it will also save you time from doing useless-already tried-experiments.
thats mostly impressions that i got talkin with friends and occasionally friend's friends who play music, i dont have a personal experience.

Music theory is dope as hell if you use it as a guideline but the issue with American school band teaching is that it's presented as law.

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listened to 2 of the aforementioned albums.....

so i ve heard the mid-air thief album. i wouldnt give it a 2nd listen if you didnt say it was yr absolute favorite of the year. i dont think its bad but i think its not worth mentioning..

i also tried another neko case's album, furnace room lullaby. not really interested. too something, i dunno. i d call it too southern but i guess that doesnt mean anything to anyone exept... well me. also dont like her voice that much.

Her voice and that Southern twang and atmosphere is exactly two of the things I love about her early albums!

But yeah, I'd say don't bother with more Neko Case.

You watch Westerns and you don't like Americana? Arbitrary pleb.

But you're all like "They're the modern folktales" or whatever like country and Americana aren't.

Also, dismissing Neko Case as merely "americana" is kinda not very meaningful.

What are you talking about?
Hurdy gurdys are ****ing awesome! And actually a very old instrument. Like medieval or something.

EDIT: Very much a cool instrument!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwyznoWJDHI

is this some kind of very punk "it sounds awful because it sounds competent" kind of attitude?

Anyone who doesn't like or at least appreciate the hurdy gurdy is peak uncool.

The instrument comes up on several albums that I listen to, so yes.

There's no instrument that I don't like. It's all about what you do with it.

Why are you treating it like it's on par with the vuvuzela or something? It's a cool instrument dawg

Ok maybe a few rare exceptions.

You sound like a gay ass.

How about accordions? You can't possibly hate accordions too.

That's some grim ass hurdy gurdy.