I say hi, you say low

**Marie Monday** · 10-28-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

That's my favorite Salinger story!

Haven't read it in ages. Should do that soon...

Mine too, together with the uncle wiggily one. No one writes about children as well as Salinger and Astrid Lindgren, I think. Or maybe Katherine Mansfield

**Marie Monday** · 10-28-2018, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

I can respect that. The Mayor was pretty much the best villain of the show.

I feel kinda bad that we both put 1 at the bottom. Even if all of the following seasons did outshine it, I still wanna pat it on the head for being so adorable and fun. I remember watching it for the first time on bootleg VHS tapes borrowed from my sister's friend. Unbeatable nostalgia.

The mayor is great, and season 3 has Faith! And the doppelgangland episode! Of course season one deserves our love and appreciation. I feel bad for rating season 2 low too, but the Buffy-Angel drama always tires me..

The Batlord · 10-28-2018, 11:16 AM

The **** are you two on about? Season 1 was still trying to figure itself out but everything that made BtVS what it is was there, correct, and fresh. I don't know how the **** you can choose comparatively dull, tired crap like 6 and 7 over it.

2&3 (I can neither separate them nor choose)>5>1>4>6>7

The Batlord · 10-28-2018, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MariaExpressesHerself

The mayor is great, and season 3 has Faith! And the doppelgangland episode! Of course season one deserves our love and appreciation. I feel bad for rating season 2 low too, but the Buffy-Angel drama always tires me..

The Mayor and Faith were incredible but Angelus was the most deliciously evil villain of the whole series and almost single-handedly took the show to another level.

**Marie Monday** · 10-28-2018, 12:10 PM

I agree that seasons 6 and 7 are problematic and they lack freshness, but the first season is so unrefined. (weird that that bothers me because in music I don't find that a problem) The later seasons have so much history to build upon and they are also funnier, in my recollection (Tabula Rasa!). But it's true that when you look at it objectively, the whole season 2 Angelus storyline probably captures best what the whole series is about.

The Batlord · 10-28-2018, 12:19 PM

Buffy never had the same dramatic stakes after season 2. Every episode Angelus was in seemed to find a new way to emotionally scar Buffy and her friends in ways they never truly recovered from. That's also a lot of what makes season 1 great tbh. It didn't have all of that trauma and felt light and fun and cozy. On its own it's good but in hindsight it's the only time when having a main character whose name was "Buffy" was 100% tonally appropriate.

**Marie Monday** · 10-28-2018, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

On its own it's good but in hindsight it's the only time when having a main character whose name was "Buffy" was 100% tonally appropriate.

I love that observation!
It reminds me of that moment in season 4 when Faith stands in front of the mirror, after bodyswapping with Buffy, and pronounces her name

Oriphiel · 10-28-2018, 02:13 PM

1: Basically one big b-movie, introduced the main scoobies, fruit punch mouth, Joss Whedon's attempts at hip young slang

2: Spike in a wheelchair, good ole leather pants Angelus (he's pretty corny tbh, and had a way creepier portrayal on Angel), Oz trying to find out who Willow is, the Latvian bugman, everyone in the audience cheering when The Annoying One got roasted

3: Faith + The Mayor = weird villain combo that somehow worked really well, Mr. Pointy, vampire Willow, Slayerfest, WELL GOSH, Mr. Trick was great, and The Mayor had an awesome evil master plan (he just wanted to be a big snake, was that so much to ask?)

4: Followed the audience into the craziness of college, Hush, evil robo-demon Charles Manson with a machine gun arm, Chip Spike (the beginning of an actually pretty interesting character study of an arc), Willow + Tara, Xander + Anya, Demon Giles, Restless (my personal favorite episode of the whole series), the body swap

5: The Body, Buffy Bot, Glory was awesome and hilarious, Dawn isn't nearly as annoying on re-watches, insane troll logic, great finale (Buffy smashing a god's face with a troll hammer is >), OH SHI-, She Saved The World A Lot

6: Followed the audience into the soul crushing pain of young adulthood, Dawn and Spike as a weird sort of big brother and little sister is actually kinda adorable, Fast Food Buffy, Bill Paying Buffy, Suicidal Buffy, Once More With Feeling, Evil Willow, Hell's Bells (which in hindsight is actually a fantastic episode that perfectly played off of a huge fear that a big chunk of the aging audience probably had), Buffy + Spike is an interesting (and simultaneously great and awful) flawed relationship, THE NEEEERRRDDDSSS!, Buffy stabbing Anya (and the totally left field musical interlude that did not make me cry, really)

7: Crazy Spike, the scoobie gang getting back together, Sunnydale High revisited, Dawn actually becoming useful

The Batlord · 10-28-2018, 02:27 PM

I'll be honest after season 3 one of my main considerations for how much I liked the season was, "Wait, what was Spike doing?" Spike > Buffy

And hell yes Dawn was way better than some would have you believe and was a catalyst for some of the greatest lulz of the series (that scene where Spike is telling Dawn a story of when he murdered an orphanage and she's just so into it is one of the best moments of the series). She was supposed to be annoying so pointing out that she is annoying is like saying that leaves are green so **** trees. And... well after a season or two she... well she grew up. Gulp.

But come on, season 6 was great for Whedon-ness but as an actual season of Buffy? The nerds were godawful villains. Fun to laugh at, but provided zero tension.

Oriphiel · 10-28-2018, 02:56 PM

The Nerds were actually probably the creepiest villains, because they were the most realistic; dorks (who each have charming sides and relatable quirks) with low self-esteem who got addicted to feeling powerful over others. Warren shooting Buffy freaked people out more than any other act by any other villain because literally any angry loser can buy or steal a gun and go full on school shooter. Watching Warren develop from a harmless weirdo into pretty much a ****ing serial killer is tense as ****.

And the episode where they test Buffy is ****ing hilarious. Mummy hand >

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Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,354	1: Basically one big b-movie, introduced the main scoobies, fruit punch mouth, Joss Whedon's attempts at hip young slang 2: Spike in a wheelchair, good ole leather pants Angelus (he's pretty corny tbh, and had a way creepier portrayal on Angel), Oz trying to find out who Willow is, the Latvian bugman, everyone in the audience cheering when The Annoying One got roasted 3: Faith + The Mayor = weird villain combo that somehow worked really well, Mr. Pointy, vampire Willow, Slayerfest, WELL GOSH, Mr. Trick was great, and The Mayor had an awesome evil master plan (he just wanted to be a big snake, was that so much to ask?) 4: Followed the audience into the craziness of college, Hush, evil robo-demon Charles Manson with a machine gun arm, Chip Spike (the beginning of an actually pretty interesting character study of an arc), Willow + Tara, Xander + Anya, Demon Giles, Restless (my personal favorite episode of the whole series), the body swap 5: The Body, Buffy Bot, Glory was awesome and hilarious, Dawn isn't nearly as annoying on re-watches, insane troll logic, great finale (Buffy smashing a god's face with a troll hammer is >), OH SHI-, She Saved The World A Lot 6: Followed the audience into the soul crushing pain of young adulthood, Dawn and Spike as a weird sort of big brother and little sister is actually kinda adorable, Fast Food Buffy, Bill Paying Buffy, Suicidal Buffy, Once More With Feeling, Evil Willow, Hell's Bells (which in hindsight is actually a fantastic episode that perfectly played off of a huge fear that a big chunk of the aging audience probably had), Buffy + Spike is an interesting (and simultaneously great and awful) flawed relationship, THE NEEEERRRDDDSSS!, Buffy stabbing Anya (and the totally left field musical interlude that did not make me cry, really) 7: Crazy Spike, the scoobie gang getting back together, Sunnydale High revisited, Dawn actually becoming useful __________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------

10-28-2018, 02:56 PM	#50 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,354	The Nerds were actually probably the creepiest villains, because they were the most realistic; dorks (who each have charming sides and relatable quirks) with low self-esteem who got addicted to feeling powerful over others. Warren shooting Buffy freaked people out more than any other act by any other villain because literally any angry loser can buy or steal a gun and go full on school shooter. Watching Warren develop from a harmless weirdo into pretty much a **ing serial killer is tense as . And the episode where they test Buffy is **ing hilarious. Mummy hand > __________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------