Is your skin that smooth or is it shopped?

Well, first, I didn't really see anything self-deprecating about Lucem's post. He posted a picture of himself and then people started making fun of him. That's not self-deprecation, that's bullying.

Second, even if Lucem did feel the need to self-deprecate, there's no need for others to pounce on that and make him feel worse. That's not what should happen in a normal, civil, supporting community (jury is still out if MB is or wants to be that kind of community).
I don't find negative comments on someone's looks "good-natured" or funny. And I also don't see where the other party gave their consent to be ridiculed, unless you think sharing something on an online forum is an open invitation for abuse.

I mean I get it, you guys are just bros and you're being "broey". I just never understood that culture and am questioning the logics (and usefulness) of it. :/

But you know, carry on I guess...:/

^Im just playing devils advocate but you did sort of come back to a different mb. I imagine the jokes thrown at Lucem were not meant to be harmful. Knowing the people telling them definitely helps. Also elph has also been getting **** on so it just sort of happens. I get it too. Everyone does.

No shopping. That's just the camera / compression of my phone.

Get over yourself dude. You're basically jumping into a wrestling match and demanding that everybody just get along because you're not familiar with that type of humour.

You do not speak for everyone. If that **** bothers you then people will respect that but let other people interact as they please.

I'm familiar, I've been on the internet for a while now...I just don't condone it. For reasons explained above. I also try to unpack some of the reasons for this type of behavior here

I'm well aware that I don't speak for everyone, I speak for myself and am trying to engage in a rational debate about the behavior of others that I see as problematic. If you want to be a bully, that's absolutely your right, just like it's my right to question your values and motives and maybe make you think about how your behavior affects others, since apparently, lots of people are not aware.

Framing it as bullying is really misleading. Almost like suggesting that S&M is inherently abusive. I guess you just lack a sense of humour since you say you understand it but still show a total misunderstanding of our perspective.

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Sigh. S&M is a consensual sexual fetish, taking abuse from online people is not inherent in the social contract of forum posting, or at least it shouldn't be, and is definitely not something people enjoy or get off on. If you took a canvas of the people here and asked them what would they prefer, insults being hurled at them whenever they post pictures or normal, friendly and/or supportive messages, what result do you think you would get? Sorry to tell you, most people are not masochists :/

Oh and I definitely lack your "bro-ey" sense of humor. It's macho sh!t I was never interested in. Doesn't mean I don't have A sense of humor. It's just not based on abuse. :/

I should point out that this type of behavior is almost exclusively between men and other men, which perpetuates the atmosphere and culture of toxic masculinity, because "feelings" are for "whiny-ass pussies".

^^^^

You don't want to see my point. Peace out and good work on being so mature. I think you see a lot of us as something we're not.

Adidasss, man, we all do it. We all insult each other all the time but we also all talk about various things every day. That's just how we are. I wouldn't change it.

Its consensual and when it isnt mods do a pretty good job of stepping in.

Notice that no one speaks to Lisna or spaceboy or you (if youre not okay with it) in that way.

Yah bro, I understand there might be a consensual agreement among the bullies to bully. I'm questioning the existence of consent among the targets of bullying to BE bullied...is MY point...;)

But thanks anyways! Peace out! Why not? Because then this place would be too normal, supportive, relaxed, civil etc? Because you would potentially evolve beyond the closed cycle of stereotypical "boys will be boys" macho sh!it into normal, respectful human beings? Whachamightcall...mature adults even...? Eh...? Is that what it is? ;)

Please stop bullying us and try to be a little more considerate. If this is how you treat people in real life then you need to shape up, kiddo! :)

Since when did being on an internet forum relate to real life? I come to this forum to escape from the difficulties of life, not to find it. Everybody here has always had a mutual understanding that if someone crosses the line, it's dealt with. Many times I've seen it dealt with very quickly. Most of the time we're just throwing friendly jabs at each other, and sometimes it's a bit more excessive but honestly, who cares? It's the internet.

I don't consider it a macho boys will be boys concept either. We all just hate everything.

It's ok to bully bullies! I just decided that.

Also, I thought you were leaving...:wave:

By "difficulties of life" I guess you mean "standards of decency"? :laughing:

Ok guys, I've harped on the point long enough, have a good night Western hemisphere, it's lunch time in the Far East. :wave:

It's an online forum. Coming here you've already stripped yourself of any decency.

real men post their forearms

I find whiny condescension over non-issues to be indecent. I'd like everyone to abide by my standards of decency and abandon their own. Thank you.

Bit silly to recommend, innit

You look like David Byrne - maybe you should have him as an avatar!?

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Tooooootttttttalllly

We're all broken in some form or another.

That's the ONLY way to deal with them. Give them a dose of their own medicine in order to show them the error of their ways.

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Who do you feel is the target of bullying on here?

This picture youre painting of MB seems like a gross misrepresentation of the relationships we share, probably due to your naivety. There are plenty of people not involved in the "toxic masculinity" you describe who don't get talked to in a way that seems to offend you. Also, mods do a pretty good job of stepping in when people do cross the line from light hearted banter to being offensive and hurtful.

I have made this exact same point and I've pointed it out once already that I made this point and it gets ignored. Adidasss just wants to argue. Doesn't want to bother trying to understand the atmosphere we have here. Nobody else but him is even offended.

I didn't like being told I'm ugly or human waste jokes or not.

Adidas has a point though imo. I always felt it was a bit shit to take the piss out of people who post their pics.

I think it’s about time we bring back some bullying because I really want to tell you how ****ing awful that tattoo is and how I would instantly think anyone I saw with that tattoo was a total dickweed

Not shocking after the recent discovery that you’re a misogynist victim-shamer

I mean I have MEOW and several other cat tattoos so I guess I cant talk. Tho all mine have meaning behind them. Especially my "a fond farewell" tattoo. However I find knocking other tattoos to be a bit off since I don't know the reasoning or meaning behind it. I don't really like his tattoo either but its his own choice.

Every inch of my body is covered with 4'33" tattoos.

A tattoo commemorating a love for cats is kickass in my book

A tattoo commemorating a love for Elliott Smith is even more kickass (and that’s one of my favorite songs of his), and there might even be more personal meaning tied to it

A tattoo of a ****ing grenade, though?

Fair enough. And thank you! I got the Elliott smith tattoo in a time of my life that it had meaning but now it serves as a reminder. Still one of my favorites tho my knuckle tattoo is simply my favorite. It gets a lot of attention at work too. And it's also on the hand that has my cat tattoos on my arm.

I love my cat tattoos as well. I'm gettng a portrait on my arm done of my current cat and I'll probably end up with a cat tattoo sleeve at some point. I'll get a portrait of the cat I have tattood already as well. I already have his name on my wrist.

First off, suck a dick.

I'm not a misogynist, or a victim-shamer. You, however, are an asshole.

You have no idea of the meaning behind the tattoo, nor am I under any obligation to explain it to your simpleton ass.

Mmmm I was defending your freedom of expression but this is just not accurate.

You're definitely a misogynist and a victim shamer, but is there a cool backstory on your tat?

There is a personal story behind its meaning that I don't really want to share with the world.

Also, I am not a misogynist or a victim-shamer. You can't shame a victim if there are no victims in the scenario. We don't to re-hash that one.

You were actively victim shaming in the netflix thread. Do you not remember? Obviously we've already talked and I don't have hard feeling but you still did it. So yes, you are a victim shamer in that case.

In the Louis C.K. case, there were no victims. Only willing participants who regretted it afterward.

I don't have the energy to commit to this debate so I'll just let Yorke do it.