> 2016
> still using homosexual slurs as an insult

In salonspeak,"Hetero" is the slur.

It's a douchebag irony jerkfest. Try to keep up.

*insert Louis CK bit here*

This is the bit

thanks deej

Doug Stanhope does the trick as well

I've seen both before. They're not actual arguments, theyre stand up routines - they're just another *******'s opinion, they just do it in a more entertaining way (love Louis CK, Danhope is ok).

Also, pointing it out doesn't mean I'm offended. I don't have to be offended by something to comment on it. I do think it comes from out dated concepts of masculinity and is mostly used by people that are insecure about their own masculinity.

God I love Stanhope

Except for the fact that it has nothing to do with masculinity or homosexuality.

Which is pretty much Qwertyy's point by referencing the stand ups.

So yes they are actually arguments regardless if you agree with them or not.

I doubt that masculinity observations don't underlie it. If it was a picture of a full bearded lumberjack holding an ak 47, "fa*got" probably wouldn't come up. When Louis CK does his bit, he uses an efeminate whiny voice to portray his def of "fa*got".

If you were born in most cultures in the world today, especially in the west, you were raised around these shaming structures by the media and your peers. And these social strucures have been in place for hundreds of years. I don't think people do it so consciously "ooh I'm going to call this guy f*g to make me look more masculine". No, the social centers of the brain already do that automatically (i.e, its "subconscious" to use Freud's outdated terminology).

Also, the word "literal" was used in front of ****ot - not sure if the poster failed English, but literal has a particular meaning....

Louis CK wouldn't be able to go around using "jewed" or "kiked" and say "oh I was just talking about people that steal, not literal jews!" But the only reason that derogatory term is tied to stealing is because the jews were accused of it (infamously, by Hitler) ... much like homosexuality is considered failing at masculinity.

The new word for shaming men that don't maintain the patriarchy is cuck, btw. The alt right abandoned ****ot in the 90's when they graduated high school.

this is true.

To cuck is lame. To ***got is divine.

you're a ***cuck

I use equivalents of jewed/kiked all the time and I think everyone should.

I prefer to insult the Jews to their faces.

I used jewed once around here and someone flipped out about it. So I refrain from using the term jewed and gypsy even.

#zionistoccupiedbanter

Do we even have gypsies in America? I think you're probably fine with that one, dude.

You're absolutely right I just don't think anyone here who thinks it's funny to use homophobic slurs (and then justify it with a comedy bit) is going to care. I hate seeing it on the boards, tbh, and I've taken to just ignoring or not associating with the people who throw it around like it's funny. I called someone out on it in plug but no one cares about what I think so now I just leave plug if that person shows up.

I don't see the problem unless people openly say they're offended. I'm not going to watch what I say if I don't have to.

Idk but I rather just not use it.

I'm openly saying that homosexual insults offend me.

I'll keep that in mind, though I wouldn't go as far as saying I'll never use them. It's the internet. If you want to control what people say, you'll have to buy the internet.

Do you use the word as freely IRL?

Edit: it's not even about controlling what people say, it's about not wanting to associate with people who use that word - especially if you're straight and have never been on the receiving end of the hatred and violence with which that word is associated. It's just in poor taste, imo, but it is important to distinguish that this is my perception through an American lense, I acknowledge that there are cultural variations in relation to the word in question.

Oh no no, of course not. Outside of the forum I'm far more respectful than people realize. I just put on the other persona because of my insecurities. I do try to be nice at times but otherwise I'm just a self righteous *******.

Understandable if people get offended, but again, I do stress that it is just the internet. And although I'm a hypocrite for saying so, I've also been working on just brushing off petty insults that mean nothing through the internet. The same should go for slurs as mentioned imo. But, I understand that isn't as received as I intend. I as well have been at the receiving end of criticism and hatred toward sexuality, but that's just for me to deal with on my own time. I shouldn't make other people feel bad for being openly spoken. 99% of the time, people generally don't mean it as a personal attack on the internet. In real life that's much different, which I fully understand.

Just to reiterate Ki,

My mom, born in 1930, has lived her entire life gay. Because of social pressures she tried going straight in the late 50s, early 60s. Thankfully, she spit out me as a result. Divorced when I was 2. Grew up in a gay household. A good chunk of the people who helped me along as a mixed up grade school kid were gay.


Bottom line:


Don't ****ing judge, or make light of, what you don't have a clue about.

I think it being in poor taste is what makes a lot of people use it ironically.

I'm pretty neutral on the word. Very case by case.

Words don't offend me, but I'll be judging you silently.

I mean...people joke about my ex being a heroin addict so...

So edgy. Anyway I'm not telling anyone what to do it's just something that I was glad was brought up and relieved to see I'm not alone in being bothered by it.

I think there are contexts where it can be used for comedic effect but that relies on the comedian. I agree that a lot of try hard pseudointellectuals use it as a cheap meme though. It's not a black and white issue, like everything else.

http://i.imgur.com/zVBHdxq.jpg

The irony of you saying something like this is hilarious to me.

That would be me I suppose? If so, I apologize if it offends you or anything, I certainly didn't mean to come off as that sort of guy.

No, but then I don't tell nearly as many racist jokes here as I do at work in a store full of black people. Different environments breed different humor for a million reasons.

Nobody's controlling you - I'm loudly judging you in a social context, I don't want to make a speech law or sick Jezabell and Tumblr on you with pitchforks. I could care less whether you choose to continue to use the word or not. You're not an uncle or a good friend; there's no loss here for me. I think and operate independent of SJW movements (which I loathe and whom I believe would not be offering you 1/10th the reasoned discourse I am).

I do really think that the majority of people that use the word '***got' as an insult are operating on a social structure that's based in masculine insecurity, i.e., toxic masculinity. And I know in some subcultures it would be difficult and uncomfortable (or at least take some clever social skills) to not be like that.

I was raised a commercial fisherman out of small fishing town in Alaska, which is very much that kind of culture. I'm now a PhD student studying theoretical neuroscience abroad in liberal Ontario, Canada. It was a long transition period for me, and maybe being an actual adult with two daughters had a lot to do with it, but I can see the legitimate struggles underlying SJW movements. I just don't care for the methods, or really believe in methods at all; sociological state of a culture is emergent and the law of unintended consequences will make Trump president if you try too hard to push people in one direction.

That big wall of text was because your comment has that underlying tone about this being a 'free speech vs. civil rights' matter. Which is a tired dichotomy *yawn*. I'm going to go make Boxing Day dinner now.

At the end of the day, all you really have to do to escape it is turn your computer off. It's not hard to get away from it if you don't like it. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop using it as a joke. I personally find that it helps a joke become funnier because of how the word sounds. I wouldn't however go around in public calling people ***gots because that's wrong. On the internet, there are no boundaries unless told.

That was a fast response and wow, you're totally still missing the point or disingenuinely still trying to play it off like I'm offended so I should just go away to protect my fragile self.

What was your post supposed to signify? That I should somehow feel bad because I express my freedom of speech on the internet? I didn't quite understand what you'd be getting at otherwise since you explicitly stated that using the word is due to one's own biological insecurity and own ignorance of social structures. Which 99% of the time, the word is used because it's funny. You don't seem to have that sense of humor, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

It makes more sense for someone like me to understand that concept than most though, right?