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TheBig3 11-26-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnard17 (Post 961218)
Haha! We actually had an American anarchist speaking today who's a former lecturer (or reader or whatever) at Yale and now works in a UK university or spoke a lot at how to obfuscate and placate police without losing the protest and without resorting to violence. It was quite good.

Only in Academia. I don't think I've met anyone post-college who self-identifies as an Anarchist.

Mojo 11-27-2010 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 961197)

Also, who's the cutie at the end of the row?

Thats all I saw, to be honest.

The Fascinating Turnip 11-27-2010 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 961197)

Also, who's the cutie at the end of the row?

She's quite a few levels above "cutie".

Mojo 11-27-2010 05:25 AM

Theres a bit of Cat Deeley about her.

But it looks like Barnard is more intersted in the blond half in frame, although it may not be attraction, it may be hatred.

TheFolkslave 11-27-2010 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 960651)
Hey wait a minute...I know you. Not really, but from another forum, eh? ;)

That might be :) I always thought that your username sounds familiar.

MoonlitSunshine 11-27-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnard17 (Post 961218)
Haha! We actually had an American anarchist speaking today who's a former lecturer (or reader or whatever) at Yale and now works in a UK university or spoke a lot at how to obfuscate and placate police without losing the protest and without resorting to violence. It was quite good.

See, the obviously intentional use of the worst obfuscate there is the problem I have with Protests. The police aren't the "enemy", and never are. They're just doing their job. If I was just trying to do my job, and a bunch of belligerent, angry students came up to me, potentially drunk and throwing rocks, punches and whatever else they could get their hands on at me, I'd want to retaliate. If I back off, people call me cowardly and the mob presses forward (because let's face it, mob mentality is always, without fail, brutal. If I stand my ground, people get hurt. If people refuse to move, I am obliged to use any force necessary to remove them, because guess what, that's my job.

I know that what you're saying is that you'd like it done in a non-violent way, but to obfuscate is defined as "the concealment of intended meaning in communication, making communication confusing, intentionally ambiguous, and more difficult to interpret". In essence, attempting to confuse, bewilder and undermine a group of people who have been tasked with an already difficult job which they might not agree with, but are obliged to do, as it is their job

I'd say more, but this is a picture thread, not a "Debate the pointlessness of protests and anger against the police" thread.

Barnard17 11-27-2010 12:26 PM

In context to obfuscate means to bewilder.

I'd say your view of the police would be different if you'd been there. In Bristol we got kettled just for wanting to walk and chant, my friend was threatened with arrest for sitting down and not moving, I saw someone else arrested for being stood too close on the outside of an expanding kettle. They brought out police dogs where there was no violence present, they threw goading (and sometimes racist comments) at the protestors and used blind threats to try and force protestors to play by their own, arbitrary rulebook (some schoolkids were having a sit down protest and a police officer told them to leave or he'd phone their parents. Suitably they laughed in his face.)

As for London look up the Guardian website which has a video of police at Trafalgar Square charging their warhorses into a crowd or kids, leaving them in states of hysteria. Look up the police van coincidentally left abandoned (in my entire day on the Bristol protest not once did I see a riot van without someone behind the wheel, nor did I on the 10th Nov demo) in the middle of a kettle of thousands. My friend whose sister had gone to the Whitehall protest had arrive at 11am wanting to march and then not moved for 9 hours without a pot to piss in, food or water. She was 16, and there were kids younger in the middle of that too.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate all police equally. When I was in a kettle I sat down next to the police lines. I made jokes, sang badly and humanised them so that when they were told to close tighter they dithered, half heartedly asked us to move and eventually went around us. This is what is means to obfuscate police: they're trained so that people will either brick it and run away or get violent and get themselves arrested. When their tactics focus around that and yet you, knowing your rights, know that you don't have to do just everything they say but aren't going to get aggressive about it, buy yourself a lot more safety and time and maintain the protest much better than if it devolves into the chaos the police want to create. The overwhelming anti-police chant of the day was "your job's next!" (not "**** the police") which we used at one point to break up a kettle (soon after which my friend got the **** kicked out of him with no arrest made). But when the police block our human right to peaceful demonstration, when they use tactics to make people either react with terror or rage and when they try to create a fight to kick up a media fuss so that Government bump their budget instead of slashing it then I will do whatever I can to obfuscate them because their illegal actions don't deserve compliance.


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Originally Posted by mojopinuk (Post 961319)
But it looks like Barnard is more intersted in the blond half in frame, although it may not be attraction, it may be hatred.

Naw, it was someone many rows back.

bob. 11-27-2010 01:22 PM

i suppose it's about time

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...e/bloddyme.jpg
with beard
*i was in a play and i was Stonewall Jackson....every night i was beaten with mannequin arms and had a couple gallons of blood dumped on me.....

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...tridge/me2.jpg
without beard

James 11-27-2010 01:29 PM

Do you have "POOP" tatooed on your knuckles? If so, wtf?

bob. 11-27-2010 01:32 PM

:laughing:

no i do not have "poop" on my knuckles....but i could see why you would think that....it says 'dead'

James 11-27-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 961447)
:laughing:

no i do not have "poop" on my knuckles....but i could see why you would think that....it says 'dead'

Ahh. Thank god.

sidewinder 11-27-2010 02:48 PM

Hello bob! :beer:

s_k 11-27-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 961448)
Ahh. Thank god.

It actually looked like it said 'poep' to me. Which is even more likely.
Poep means Poop in Dutch. So that's pretty much the same.

really wondering: Why have you got 'dead' tattooed on your fingers?

bob. 11-27-2010 07:14 PM

i had planned on getting "Mary" and "Land"....well because i'm a bit of a dork and have quite a bit of pride for Baltimore (where i was born and raised)....but a bit before i went and did this my unborn daughter died in utero and i decided to get "born" and "dead"....

RVCA 11-27-2010 07:26 PM

without beard looks better, and you're much older than I was expecting

but I guess that's always the case on the 1ntern3tz

TheBig3 11-27-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 961443)

You look like some of the neighborly artists around these parts. That first photo makes you look like G.G. Allen.

Paedantic Basterd 11-27-2010 08:18 PM

Either "poop" or "dood". Undecided.

s_k 11-27-2010 08:46 PM

you might want to check the explanation above :)

About the beard: Bit of beard suits you fine. Lot of beard doesn't seem to work (says the man with quite some beard)

Arya Stark 11-27-2010 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 961443)
i suppose it's about time

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...tridge/me2.jpg
without beard

Not what I imagined at ALL. I don't know if you ever told us your age here, but I expected you to be about 15 years of age. Edit; This is not because I'm judging the way you act or anything, I actually don't think we've come across each other often.
Also, you're very good looking. :love:

Paedantic Basterd 11-27-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 961586)
you might want to check the explanation above :)

About the beard: Bit of beard suits you fine. Lot of beard doesn't seem to work (says the man with quite some beard)

Ah, I thought I was on the last page of the thread. It took me to unread posts.

sidewinder 11-27-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 961554)
i had planned on getting "Mary" and "Land"....well because i'm a bit of a dork and have quite a bit of pride for Baltimore (where i was born and raised)....but a bit before i went and did this my unborn daughter died in utero and i decided to get "born" and "dead"....

Sorry to hear that, bob.. :(

NSW 11-28-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 961619)
Also, you're very good looking. :love:

I was thinkin' the same thing. Yum.

s_k 11-28-2010 03:02 PM

Ladies, please...
Stop drooling, think about the poor keyboards!

VEGANGELICA 11-28-2010 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 961554)
i had planned on getting "Mary" and "Land"....well because i'm a bit of a dork and have quite a bit of pride for Baltimore (where i was born and raised)....but a bit before i went and did this my unborn daughter died in utero and i decided to get "born" and "dead"....

I'm also sorry to hear about your child, bob.

I have a cousin whose first baby, a little girl, died at 5 months in utero. I know how attached emotionally (and literally) I was to my baby when he was just an embryo, so having your child die in utero (or at any time) must be horrible, since you wish so very much for your child's life to be a happy one. :(

right-track 11-28-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 961918)
I know how attached emotionally (and literally) I was to my baby

No idea you had kids VEGAN.

Here's my two;

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/P1010190.jpg

s_k 11-28-2010 05:10 PM

I used to have a sister who only grew to be one month.
Even after almost 30 years it's still a very soft spot for my parents.
It's supposingly one of the worst things that can happen to anyone.
I hope the tattoo helps you carry on.

s_k 11-28-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 961921)

Probably a strange thing to say considering the knives and the looks on their faces, but they actually look like really sweet kids to me :)

NSW 11-28-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 961921)
No idea you had kids VEGAN.

Here's my two;

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/P1010190.jpg

Exactly how I'd pictured your kids... mischievous and knife-wielding and adorable.

TheBig3 11-28-2010 05:23 PM

Peter Pan was a Manch, eh?

I knew it was far from London, but "second star to the right, straight on till morning" is a little much.

MoonlitSunshine 11-28-2010 06:02 PM

interesting hair choice on your kid there, RT :P

LoathsomePete 11-28-2010 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 961921)
No idea you had kids VEGAN.

Here's my two;

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/P1010190.jpg

Getting ready to send your kids out to cut purses and throats on the streets of Manchester?

Paedantic Basterd 11-28-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 962014)
Getting ready to send your kids out to cut purses and throats on the streets of Manchester?

Manchester's the anarchy capital now, haven't you heard?

James 11-29-2010 11:50 AM

[IMG]http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a..._4881671_n.jpg[/IMG]
LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!
Awesome. I'm the one standing up holding the makeshift turkey dish sledge.

TheBig3 11-29-2010 02:26 PM

10 *******s ****ing around in a street, 1 guy shovels.

Scotland outings are a lot like American construction projects.

Queen Boo 11-29-2010 02:27 PM

Heh heh. I know your mom forced you to wear that scarf.

duga 11-29-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 962259)
10 *******s ****ing around in a street, 1 guy shovels.

Scotland outings are a lot like American construction projects.

Sad but true.

sidewinder 11-29-2010 05:08 PM

Headed out to go tubing yesterday, but they were sold out. Sad faces all around. Then we realized we had some bin lids and a bare snowboard in the car, so we found a hill and improvised. Didn't even use the bin lids...the snowboard was killer. I did several runs in this fashion, and we also did several with 2 and 3 of us on the board sitting. The lone head-first ones were the best! Last one is after burrying my head in the snow at the end. I picked up some major speed, wish I had a picture of that before I got up.

http://i56.tinypic.com/20upch4.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lcbpe8.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/dvm0yo.jpg

VEGANGELICA 11-29-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 961921)
No idea you had kids VEGAN.
Here's my two;

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/P1010190.jpg

What? I don't strike you as maternal? Well, you're right, right-track. I don't have kids.

I have KID! And he looks surprisingly like your two when he gets that maniacal gleam in his eye and cutlery or toothpaste or whatever in his hand and starts to rasp, "Kill you, I will!" Kids. :rolleyes:

You know, if you ever actually read any of my posts, you might know this by now. ;) *I've* known about *your* two darlings for, oh, around 15 months. Right-tracks. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by James (Post 962206)
I'm the one standing up holding the makeshift turkey dish sledge.

It's a primitive life you lead up there in Scotland, isn't it, James. :p: At least Sidewinder has a board rather than...a turkey dish sledge. :/

FaSho 11-29-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 962206)
[IMG]http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a..._4881671_n.jpg[/IMG]
LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!
Awesome. I'm the one standing up holding the makeshift turkey dish sledge.

Wow, those are some hip kids.

s_k 11-29-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 962334)

that's a nice addition to your beard :D.


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