Apologize ye not.

Seriously it takes a little more than just cleavage to offend me. It's probably somewhere between eating whipped cream off your chest, or releasing a ferret under the covers while you fuck.

*crosses fingers*

:rofl:
http://data1.blog.de/blog/b/billyblo...rret_small.jpg

God damn ferrets. I hate them...my ex had one so that meant I really had one. And those things stink so bad. Eventually, my apartment people found out about it (can't have pets) so I had to keep it in a cage in my bathroom. That thing would stare at me while I took a **** in the creepiest way...

I don't trust them.

Haha, I didn't understand the comparison either. And yes, decent is all it is really.

Speaking of armpit hair, I find there is actually sanitary reason to remove it. Men should take note.

Female armpit hair is just plain disgusting. No way I'd get with a girl who had it, I can't think of many other things that are more of a turn off for me. I don't want a bush anywhere on a girl...I'm a dude and I shave mine sometimes just cause it feels better when I'm sweating at the gym or whatever.

To me, it's not that women should or shouldn't have to, it's that if women have to do it, men do too. That's the double standard. It should be recognized that women really don't have to do a damn thing with their bodies for someone else's pleasure, and if you expect something to be done, you should be prepared to return the favour.

/shrug

I understand the double standard argument... but men and women are just different, period. I'm not saying all girls are attracted to a really hairy guy, but I don't know any girls who would be unattracted to a guy just cause he had armpit hair.

I think it's just natural for a guy to be unattracted to female armpit hair. Aside from a guys thoughts of it, I think girls in general just feel sexier without it. There's nothin feminine about a hairy girl.

To break up this discussion and because I am new around this place I'll post a pic of myself too

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3915065_n.jpg

Let me also state that I fully support cleavage.

Thank you, bannister, for saying so...especially the "naturally" part, since I like natural stuff!

Putting some makeup on for that picture reminded me why I really don't like makeup. When you have makeup on your face, you kind of become untouchable, even to yourself! If you want to rub your face on your sleeve to scratch an itch, you can't for fear of smearing your makeup and getting your sleeve dirty. When you get warm, eyeliner runs. Lipstick also tastes awful when you get a little in your mouth.

And mascara! It coated each lash in a little stiff, black coffin! No more silky eyelashes. I decided after that picture that I'd never try using mascara again. I felt so unnatural, so coated. Also, it took effort to find vegan-friendly makeup not made with animal parts or tested on animals.

That is a downside of violins...they can be pretty expensive...but sometimes you can find some that are affordable. If you want to play the violin, DO DO DO, Veggie! Currently, I have my eyes on...a cello (drool)... :) :) :) Two nights ago, I dreamed I was playing the cello. It felt very natural.

I'm pleased you felt I looked stunning!

I like ferrets, duga. They're slinky. I didn't know they are stinky, though.

About the part of what you said in bold: Yes and yes and yes and yes!!! Did I say yes? YES!

I agree with you that no one should be pressured to do anything for someone else's pleasure. I never do anything for someone else's pleasure if I feel pressured. The good side of this is that if I *try* to do something that I think might bring pleasure to someone else, it means I really want to, and someone has made me feel free to be however I want to be.

And you're right about the double standard. There *is* a double standard when it comes to men's and women's bodies, such as with the underarm hair issue.

Why would anyone ever be offended by cleavage? There is nothing wrong with women having breasts and showing them.

You are aware that "unattracted" is not a word, correct?

It is NOT natural for a man to find a woman's armpit hair unattractive, it's definitely something society instills in us. The hair we grow is natural, and there's nothing wrong with it.

If a woman has to shave herself to feel sexier, then she really needs to work on her self-esteem. As women,our bodies are naturally sexy, shaved or not. and the part about "there's nothin feminine about a hairy girl", are you ****ing joking? How does having body hair detract from our femininity? Unless we're growing full beards, I don't think letting our fuzz grow makes us any less womanly.

Spell check told me it wasn't a word. I used it anyways.

I guess most women around here need to work on their self-esteem then. I'm sorry, there's absolutely zero part of me that finds armpit hair on a woman attractive in even the slightest way. It's gross. Whether it's instilled by society OR natural, that really doesn't matter to me. All I know is that a bush under the arms is a surefire way to murder my boner in about 2 seconds.

And no, I'm not joking. I associate shaved armpits with women, as I would think most guys would. It's what I consider feminine. As for womens bodies being naturally sexy, i completely disagree. Like I said, there's nothing attractive to me about a jungle under the clothes. :eek:

I don't give a **** what you think is feminine, you're a man. Men don't define what makes us feminine.

Yes I am. :D I am a man who strictly has sex with shaved women. :cool:

You don't have to care, it's not a concern of mine whether you value male opinions or not. I don't define feminine as having hairy armpits. :)

Apparently you're not a man, you are a little boy.

Because I don't find hairy armpits arousing?

Ummm... ok? That makes sense.

Some of them certainly try, though, don't they! Men must feel pigeonholed by women sometimes, too.

The thing about underarm hair and "femininity" that always struck me as very odd is how a thing that women naturally have...hair growing from their armpits...is somehow considered not womanly. Yet armpit hair is female hair. Made from female hair cells that contain XX chromosomes. And the whole biological purpose of underarm hair apparently is to signal sexual maturity.

Distaste for hair on women's bodies just shows the strength of culture and the maleabliity of human minds, for better or worse.

Thanks for sticking up for those of us who have our hair, Paloma. My underarm hair salutes you! (And it probably could! ;))

By your definition any woman who could grow a full beard should keep it rather than shave it. It's only natural.

^ by seconds.

Female beards are unattractive too, but hey...that's just me.

Actually, facial hair in women can develop from medical hormonal imbalances and thus is a symptom of some deeper health problem.

Anyways, point is, if the woman wants to keep her beard, she oughtta do it.

Erroneous.

Great minds, RT...

I'd rather hear a debate between a guy who likes hairy woman, and a female who likes being completely shaved.

No. It's because you define femininity by what arouses you.

True...ish.
I define femininity because I'm pre programmed that way.
If under arm hair was indeed truly feminine, then I'd probably find it arousing...along with long distance lorry drivers.

Not really, I think we should be able to shave ourselves at our own leisure and not be criticised for doing it or not doing it. If she wants to have her beard and keep it, that's cool. If she has her beard, and shaves it, that's cool too. I shave when I feel like it, because it feels nice to rub up against things. Odd times, I like the way hair feels. If I don't want to shave my body, I don't have to. If I want to shave my body, I do.

lol, I love how someone tagged this as "show me your hairy pits"

Something feminine is something associated with females. I associate shaved armpits with females. One of the last things I think about women is body hair.

Whether affected by society or not (I think the 'societal affect on the mind' thing is overblown by feminists. Why is it such a bad thing again?) I'm attracted to what I am attracted to. If you put identical twins beside each other, and one has hair everywhere and one is shaved everywhere, I am going directly for the shaved one. And it's not because it's cool or what expected or whatever. It's because I think shaved girls are SEXY and hairy ones are NOT.


Unless the lead singer of pussycat dolls gets hairy. She could grow a Scott Ian (of Anthrax) beard and I'd still bone her. :P thats just cause shes my dream girl though :bowdown::love:

Because it implements double standards and sets unreasonable expectations on women globally.

^I think it would be better if we kept the 'hairy armpits and women' discussion in the thread dedicated to it. The 2 threads going on together is just ridiculous.

Shame booboo isn't here...

I am so typically male:

What does having armpit hair have to do with our self esteem? "Most women here"? Do you even know most of the female members here? I don't think so, so please stop overgeneralising.

:laughing:

lol is he trying to say people who dont shave have no self esteem?

I believe he said that because Paloma said that if women need to shave to feel sexier then they need to work on their self esteem.

But can we please not continue this particular conversation in this thread. :p:

continuing topic.... ;)

Not if i delete your posts ;)

DAMN YOUR MODNESS. sigh.

Mwahahaha.

NOONE CAN BEAT ME!

*apart from maybe other mods.

Where the hell have you been?

I'd have gone for this emotion...:rolleyes:

Sunlight is overrated

sidewinder I have mega beard envy. Yours is too good.