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GD · 09-10-2018, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by windsock

So this is the second socialism thread then?

The actual socialism thread is a Batman thread now

**Frownland** · 09-10-2018, 01:42 PM

Just because it's gained some popularity doesn't mean that it's stopped being a bogeyman.

Rocco_81 · 09-11-2018, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

nothing wrong with "sticking it to corporations" would be a winners slogan for dems

and it's the essence of leftism to challenge authoritarian institutions

Except for the fact that the Dems of today ARE the establishment and the corporations. If you look at the majority of News outlets (minus Fox) they all pull for Hillary, or Bernie or whomever is on the Left most typically.

As a disclaimer I must say (sad I need to explain) that criticism of Dems does not equal endorsement of Reps or anyone else.

The Batlord · 09-11-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocco_81

Except for the fact that the Dems of today ARE the establishment and the corporations. If you look at the majority of News outlets (minus Fox) they all pull for Hillary, or Bernie or whomever is on the Left most typically.

As a disclaimer I must say (sad I need to explain) that criticism of Dems does not equal endorsement of Reps or anyone else.

More like the Dems would be the establishment if they're weren't so willing to let the Republicans be the establishment.

Rocco_81 · 09-11-2018, 10:47 AM

It also needs to be said that "Liberal" in the classic use of the word, meaning Classically Liberal as the political Philosophers of old used the term - would see it a must to question anyone in charge. They would also say it was necessary to actually listen and understand the other side and not just buy into dogma.

So to be clear in my statement - Liberal now days ties in with Democrat or further down the line Socialists. However it was not intended to be that way. A true Liberal considers all points from all sides before making a judgement. The modern Liberal is merely a Leftist who has his checklist and is ready to challenge based off of that prefabbed checklist much in the same way a die hard Republican has his checklist and won't waiver from it either.

**Exo** · 09-11-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Normally my hair is spikier

This explains so much.

Rocco_81 · 09-11-2018, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

More like the Dems would be the establishment if they're weren't so willing to let the Republicans be the establishment.

The Repbublicans are in "power" as far as seats in politics at the moment. But when we talk about establishment and "power" as far as public opinion and our entertainment, how many news sources are for Republicans? Fox? Maybe a few Christian stations? And remember its not that I endorse them, but I don't think they are any worse than CNN or their other foes.

From HBO, to CNN to CSNBC, to pretty much most mainstream channels, you cannot watch for 5 minutes w.out some anti Republican message or if its a comedy station, a completely crass image or joke played at Trumps expense.

Music, entertainment, news - is largely left leaning and that's pretty much a known thing.

The Batlord · 09-11-2018, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo

This explains so much.

Yes, thank you, I forgot to comment on this. I can believe that he's still living in a world where Powerman 5000 is cool.

**Frownland** · 09-11-2018, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocco_81

So to be clear in my statement - Liberal now days ties in with Democrat or further down the line Socialists. However it was not intended to be that way. A true Liberal considers all points from all sides before making a judgement. The modern Liberal is merely a Leftist who has his checklist and is ready to challenge based off of that prefabbed checklist much in the same way a die hard Republican has his checklist and won't waiver from it either.

Actually modern Democrats aren't even Democrats because of LBJ if you're that bent on accuracy.

windsock · 09-11-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Bernie is not the establishment

You can't dispute he's a left-wing politician, and 90% of publications either pushed for him or Hillary, who was also left-wing. This would make them, the establishment, heavily left-leaning.

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Rocco_81 Groupie Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: NE and Mid Atlantic US & A Posts: 8	It also needs to be said that "Liberal" in the classic use of the word, meaning Classically Liberal as the political Philosophers of old used the term - would see it a must to question anyone in charge. They would also say it was necessary to actually listen and understand the other side and not just buy into dogma. So to be clear in my statement - Liberal now days ties in with Democrat or further down the line Socialists. However it was not intended to be that way. A true Liberal considers all points from all sides before making a judgement. The modern Liberal is merely a Leftist who has his checklist and is ready to challenge based off of that prefabbed checklist much in the same way a die hard Republican has his checklist and won't waiver from it either.