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**Frownland** · 12-26-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

Do you use the word as freely IRL?

Edit: it's not even about controlling what people say, it's about not wanting to associate with people who use that word - especially if you're straight and have never been on the receiving end of the hatred and violence with which that word is associated. It's just in poor taste, imo, but it is important to distinguish that this is my perception through an American lense, I acknowledge that there are cultural variations in relation to the word in question.

I think it being in poor taste is what makes a lot of people use it ironically.

I'm pretty neutral on the word. Very case by case.

DwnWthVwls · 12-26-2016, 02:36 PM

Words don't offend me, but I'll be judging you silently.

Key · 12-26-2016, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Just to reiterate Ki,

My mom, born in 1930, has lived her entire life gay. Because of social pressures she tried going straight in the late 50s, early 60s. Thankfully, she spit out me as a result. Divorced when I was 2. Grew up in a gay household. A good chunk of the people who helped me along as a mixed up grade school kid were gay.

Bottom line:

Don't ****ing judge, or make light of, what you don't have a clue about.

I mean...people joke about my ex being a heroin addict so...

WWWP · 12-26-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think it being in poor taste is what makes a lot of people use it ironically.

So edgy. Anyway I'm not telling anyone what to do it's just something that I was glad was brought up and relieved to see I'm not alone in being bothered by it.

**Frownland** · 12-26-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

So edgy. Anyway I'm not telling anyone what to do it's just something that I was glad was brought up and relieved to see I'm not alone in being bothered by it.

I think there are contexts where it can be used for comedic effect but that relies on the comedian. I agree that a lot of try hard pseudointellectuals use it as a cheap meme though. It's not a black and white issue, like everything else.

Key · 12-26-2016, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think there are contexts where it can be used for comedic effect but that relies on the comedian. I agree that a lot of try hard pseudointellectuals use it as a cheap meme though. It's not a black and white issue, like everything else.

The irony of you saying something like this is hilarious to me.

Thelonious Monkey · 12-26-2016, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

You're absolutely right I just don't think anyone here who thinks it's funny to use homophobic slurs (and then justify it with a comedy bit) is going to care. I hate seeing it on the boards, tbh, and I've taken to just ignoring or not associating with the people who throw it around like it's funny. I called someone out on it in plug but no one cares about what I think so now I just leave plug if that person shows up.

That would be me I suppose? If so, I apologize if it offends you or anything, I certainly didn't mean to come off as that sort of guy.

The Batlord · 12-26-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

Do you use the word as freely IRL?

Edit: it's not even about controlling what people say, it's about not wanting to associate with people who use that word - especially if you're straight and have never been on the receiving end of the hatred and violence with which that word is associated. It's just in poor taste, imo, but it is important to distinguish that this is my perception through an American lense, I acknowledge that there are cultural variations in relation to the word in question.

No, but then I don't tell nearly as many racist jokes here as I do at work in a store full of black people. Different environments breed different humor for a million reasons.

Xurtio · 12-26-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

I'll keep that in mind, though I wouldn't go as far as saying I'll never use them. It's the internet. If you want to control what people say, you'll have to buy the internet.

Nobody's controlling you - I'm loudly judging you in a social context, I don't want to make a speech law or sick Jezabell and Tumblr on you with pitchforks. I could care less whether you choose to continue to use the word or not. You're not an uncle or a good friend; there's no loss here for me. I think and operate independent of SJW movements (which I loathe and whom I believe would not be offering you 1/10th the reasoned discourse I am).

I do really think that the majority of people that use the word '***got' as an insult are operating on a social structure that's based in masculine insecurity, i.e., toxic masculinity. And I know in some subcultures it would be difficult and uncomfortable (or at least take some clever social skills) to not be like that.

I was raised a commercial fisherman out of small fishing town in Alaska, which is very much that kind of culture. I'm now a PhD student studying theoretical neuroscience abroad in liberal Ontario, Canada. It was a long transition period for me, and maybe being an actual adult with two daughters had a lot to do with it, but I can see the legitimate struggles underlying SJW movements. I just don't care for the methods, or really believe in methods at all; sociological state of a culture is emergent and the law of unintended consequences will make Trump president if you try too hard to push people in one direction.

That big wall of text was because your comment has that underlying tone about this being a 'free speech vs. civil rights' matter. Which is a tired dichotomy *yawn*. I'm going to go make Boxing Day dinner now.

Key · 12-26-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Xurtio

That big wall of text was because your comment has that underlying tone about this being a 'free speech vs. civil rights' matter. Which is a tired dichotomy *yawn*. I'm going to go make Boxing Day dinner now.

At the end of the day, all you really have to do to escape it is turn your computer off. It's not hard to get away from it if you don't like it. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop using it as a joke. I personally find that it helps a joke become funnier because of how the word sounds. I wouldn't however go around in public calling people ***gots because that's wrong. On the internet, there are no boundaries unless told.