Im liek SO Straight Edge
 

I'm starting this thread to clear up any questions or misconceptions about something that means a lot to me.

Let me start out by telling you a little bit about my self, I'm from Jersey, but I can spit on Philly, and considering the fact that I'm included in Philadelphia's census, I consider myself from Philly. I grew up in the Philadelphia hardcore scene, being into hardcore I learned about this thing called straight edge, and it really intrigued me, so eventually I quit all the things I was caught up in ,became straight edge, an haven't looked back since.

(^^^If you skipped that at least read this vvvv)
I'm tired of people who know nothing about being straight edge answering questions , so I'm here to tell you how it is , I'm not gonna sugar coat anything , so feel free to ask a question.

Whats it like being part of a dumb subculture that's desperate for a label and has a founder that broke edge brah

Right, well seeing as how you are not into hardcore I'm guessing you've never met anybody who is really straight edge , more so kids who "claim" to be drug free during their childhood and try to associate themselves with something that has nothing to do with them, and are destined to sell out by the time their 21. The fact that you're calling it "dumb" and you used the term "broke edge" tells me you don't know anything about what you're trying to make fun of.

I didn't know you had to like hardcore to be straight edge.

I'm sorry to anybody who isn't into hardcore and is drug free, but straight edge is a hardcore thing

to who ever moved this, this is not an introduction , I really dont want to introduce myself to anybody, this is an education thread made to educate people on a fundamental part of hardcore puck

Ian is talking about a small and short lived "movement" by bands such as one life crew and pitboss2000, who try to justify violence by saying its what they believe in, straight edge isnt a church ,people don't go around trying to convert the world. He's saying its sad to see something he helped create being used as an excuse to hurt people. also how would you feel if people asked you the same question 5 times a day.

Well, it's certainly not a topic about music. This is the most appropriate locale for it.

actually if it weren't for straight edge, the last 30 years of hardcore would be out the door, most of hardcore's fundamental bands were straight edge. I really didn't think people would be this immature , seriously there is no reason to hate straight edge kids.

and introductions????? really??? c'mon man get real

your founder just eviscerated your "movement" dude

the "movement" he was referring to was the militant straight edge "movement". I put "movement" in quotes to emphasize the fact that the people associated with the whole militant thing are missing the point entirely, which is exactly what Ian is saying and I agree with completely. It's like Christians killing people just because they don't believe in the Christian god , do you really think that's what Jesus wanted?(if he was real).... not trying to compare Ian to any kind of god, nobody thinks of him like that.

Wait, so Straight edge is mainly just living a drug-free life and listening to hardcore?
Why is there an entire topic to explain that? Or am I missing out on something? :)

It's not about listening to a specific genre of music, people don't understand that there is an entire subculture that the music is apart of. have you ever wondered why hardcore has so many different sounds but is still hardcore? it's because its not just music. Honestly I don't expect you to understand ,I don't expect anybody on here to understand either you live it or you don't. there's more to it then you think.

So, explain!

You don't have to be straight-edge to be into hardcore punk, that's not what hardcore punk was originally about. Bands like Black Flag, Circle Jerks and Bad Brains weren't straight-edge and Poison Idea took enough drugs to kill a herd of elephants. Straight-edge took the danger and fun out of hardcore and turned it into the preachy bull**** we get today.

I think domman123 means that you have to be into hardcore to be straight-edge.
Just like you have to be into punk to be... punk. :).

"Domman123" is 'stupid man 123' in Dutch, by the way.
It's a good thing I'm the only dutchie here :D>

Lol you don't have to be into hardcore to be straight-edge either, anyone can choose to live a drug-free lifestyle. It's their own personal choice regardless of what music they listen to.

I think that's what he's trying to explain, that being 'straight edge' has something to do with a pop-culture, as much as being punk has something to do with looking like a punk, being anarchistic AND listening to the music. You can look like a punk and not be one and you can listen to punk without being a punk.

I think all of this is bull**** in the end, but I think this is what he means.
So... Explain the true meaning of Straight Edge to me, as opposed to being drug-free, please ;).
And while you're at it, explain to me why you want to have it explained.

I'm interested in hearing this explaination too.

And taking the lyrics from the Minor Threat song 'Out of Step' which further reinforced the straight-edge beliefs, I'm wondering which of the following has he broken:

"don't smoke, don't drink, don't f*ck"

Look, you have to be into hardcore to be straight edge, but you don't have to be straight edge to be into hardcore, you guys just don't understand what it's like here, I'm not trying to make myself seem better then you, but its one of those things you have to be there for. There are so many misconceptions about straight edge because people look for a place to fit in or, want a title to give themselves , so they call themselves straight edge, preach hard as **** , then sell out after a few years.

BTW that's pretty funny "dom" means stupid

"You just had to be there" isn't what I consider an acceptable statement on your subject. I think we're all as equally informed about the topic as we were before you made the thread.

This does, however, still reveal plenty about you. Hence, introductions!

Yea well I made this thread to answer serious questions, not to have people try and tear straight edge apart.

And will you give up with the introductions thing , I'm not sure if you're joking or being serious.

I think it's pretty clear we know what straight edge is.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying people shouldn't be straight-edge, that's their lifestyle choice and I can respect that. But I basically view straight-edge the same way as I view organised religions such as Christianity, the ideals twist and change over time so that the original ideals are distorted and you are left wondering what is the exact meaning of it all, does it actually mean anything in the end or is it just some crazy idea that one guy had and it grew and grew into something else? It could all amount to just nothing in the end.

You may think you do ,but I'm almost positive you don't. ya know what, I'm done. you guys can continue to listen to the music , I'll continue to live it.

Yeah. Good riddens. We won't miss you.

The whole thing has gotten messed up over the years, to the point where its barely recognizable now, If you get the chance or even give a **** , look up this song called "can we start again" by Bane.

I know I do, one of my exfiancees is now straight edge. When you can kick a junk addiction/meat& all other animal products/cigarettes all cold turkey, with a mental illness like he did, then I'll be impressed. And I don't listen to hardcore, why am I going to listen to music I don't relate to?

Let me get this straight (edge).
You say 'people don't understand what straight edge is'
We say 'well explain'
You say 'it's not what you think it is'
We say 'we think we do'
You say 'you don't, now piss off'

This is not... practical, is it?
I've seen no explanation, all you're saying is that we don't understand :D
It's pretty amusing, but I was genuinely interested in what you meant and it seems there's not more than... what you say. What is there not to understand?

Last 30 years of hardcore out the door? You just lost all credibility with that argument. I've found most straight edger's in my life to be the immature type honestly. Fundamental like Black Flag? D.R.I.? Slayer? MDC? AGRESSION? ICONS OF FILTH? A//SOLUTION? RKL? Oh wait all those bands aren't Straight Edge. Shall we continue the discussion?

Was one of your parents an alcoholic or a druggie?

dude everyone knows what straight edge is. everyone just thinks youre a douche

Now that you've got the drink & the drugs thing done with your straight edge stuff. If you're all for self improvement may I suggest you do something about your people skills next.

Hmm... if I were a mod I'd close this topic about... now.
Mods?

I wanna know if his mommy got drunk and shoved his Hot Wheels up her vajay first. :(

Few things more annoying to me than someone asking for a topic to be closed. James is a repeat offender.

Straight edge dude, people are probably being too harsh on you here. My beef with straight edge is that people feel the need to declare themselves straight edge. It comes off as putting yourself on some sort of pedestal. It's just as annoying as people who brag about drinking and using. I don't give a shit if someone doesn't wanna drink but what's the point in declaring it so loudly??

Four pages of posts are unnecessary. This has it all.

The angry cynic in me says:

Because they're typically self-righteous suburban basement-dwellers who feel the need to create enemies in order to feel as though they're fighting against something (when they could logically spend their time fighting against something that actually matters and already EXISTS, like <insert generic comment about poverty/racism/homelessness here>). So they choose an easy way out. "Drugs? Well, plenty of subcultures (many religions among them) already despise these things illogically, so me announcing myself against drugs makes me SEEM totally, like punk brah, even though it's one of the easiest things in the world to be against." It's been said before - the LAST people who should be talking about drugs are those who have never taken them. Thus, this entire movement is typically filled with sheep who make ridiculous blanket statements about drugs. The only exception are those who DID do drugs but gave up on it, and even in that case, I really couldn't give less of a **** about what those people have to say.

However, the logical, understanding person in me says:

They probably feel as though drugs and alcohol are getting a lot of airplay and commercialization nowadays (tons of alcohol advertisements, commercializing drugs, more and more music is professing to the use of it in lyrics), and they feel the best way to combat these constant pro-drug announcements is to speak out against them in a self-indulgent, self-absorbed way. A lot like how many Atheists announce their Atheism because they feel like religion sort of corners them into fighting back, because it's everywhere (and vice versa; for example a lot of Christians feel like the world is too secular now and therefore announce and even force their beliefs upon others more forcefully now).

Few things more annoying to me than seeing a topic go downhill and watching it go into one big flame war while it could have been closed before that happened. Sorry mate :D.

You could always just not open the thread. You are probably the one person on this forum who I would vote most likely to continue a pointless conversation on MB. Yes, I know that's ironic since I am kinda doing that now. But keep fighting the good fight s_k!!!!! :yeah::love::pssst::tramp::baseball::soccer::cool: :rolleyes: