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**Janszoon** · 01-24-2013, 10:32 PM

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You can't discipline that away. It's a very natural instinct for cats to "knead" or "pedal push". It's an evolutionary product that enables kittens to instinctively press on a mother cat's milk sacks in order to extract as much milk as possible.

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**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-24-2013, 10:32 PM

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You can't discipline that away. It's a very natural instinct for cats to "knead" or "pedal push". It's an evolutionary product that enables kittens to instinctively press on a mother cat's milk sacks in order to extract as much milk as possible. In the wild, this probably matters more than it does at home.
However, that instinct doesn't just go away. And when a cat has been domesticated and falls into that sense of safety and protection, and doesn't need to fight for its survival in the wild, those kitten instincts still rule.

To admonish a cat for being itself is obviously not going to net results.

An interesting fact about cats is that they rarely purr or meow when completely wild. They have adapted these instincts to their own benefit while being domesticated and interfacing with humans, because it works to their benefit. But in reality, cats are extremely close to the domestic line. It's why they're so adaptable. They can live with or without us. They just choose to have an easier life, and such an easy life parallels a kitten's life in many aspects, so it is not unreasonable to assume that the very instincts that benefited them as kittens will do the same in such a lifestyle where those instincts will no longer serve to their benefit, but environmental circumstance does not require maturation of behavior.

So, I think it should be pretty obvious that they're just being the result of their environment, and responding to it. If you don't believe me, try to get a wild cat to pedal push you and purr while you pet it. You'll only be successful if you consider large gaping flesh wounds to your face "pedal pushing", and low, gutteral growls "purring".

But the beauty of these animals is they can, in their own lifetime and in a very short period of time, adapt to become as tame as a lifelong house cat. To me, that's amazing.

My friend's cat suckles on her neck and kneads but obviously doesn't get milk, yet he still continues to, even 2 years later. You're right, it's instinct. I think cats are extremely fascinating. Just sitting down and watching them interact with nature is a real treat.

Freebase Dali · 01-24-2013, 10:36 PM

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Much of what you said is true here. Though my mother raised the cat completely fine and he still scratched her quite often. Do you have a cat by the way man? If yes, I'd like to see a picture of it.

Yea, I have one. I grew up with them since I was a kid. I think I've had at least 40 something of them. Most of them were outside cats though. And, growing up, they would either run away or get killed in the road.

The current one is fixed and lives inside though.
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**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-24-2013, 10:38 PM

Oh that face, I am dying from the cuteness.

Freebase Dali · 01-24-2013, 10:41 PM

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Oh that face, I am dying from the cuteness.

I thought it was cute for about a year. Then he became so attached that I can't even go take a piss without him following and rubbing on my leg.

It's really hard to piss with a cat rubbing on your leg.

**Janszoon** · 01-24-2013, 10:42 PM

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I thought it was cute for about a year. Then he became so attached that I can't even go take a piss without him following and rubbing on my leg.

It's really hard to piss with a cat rubbing on your leg.

At least he isn't rubbing on your milk sacks.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-24-2013, 10:42 PM

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But the beauty of these animals is they can, in their own lifetime and in a very short period of time, adapt to become as tame as a lifelong house cat. To me, that's amazing.

Do you reckon you could get a wild cat and tame it to live with a family then?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-24-2013, 10:43 PM

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I thought it was cute for about a year. Then he became so attached that I can't even go take a piss without him following and rubbing on my leg.

It's really hard to piss with a cat rubbing on your leg.

That's pretty cool though, most cats are independent and fuck off outside all the time. Some I know don't even sit on your lap. I want a needy cat. I want one curled up to me every night!

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-24-2013, 10:44 PM

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I always wanted to do this with a cat, I don't like the thought of them going through bins or being attacked by foxes or other cats. Is this cruel do you think? I would have thought a house is like a theme park to a cat?

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Freebase Dali · 01-24-2013, 10:46 PM

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At least he isn't rubbing on your milk sacks.

Yea that would be weird. Those babies stay on my shoulders. How a cat could get up there, I would never know.

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Do you reckon you could get a wild cat and tame it to live with a family then?

Have done it many times. Although I've only tamed them to be decent cats that stayed outdoors, and therefore still went hunting and brought back rodents and rabbits and stuff, they acted like regular cats when around humans.

The difference between those cats and house-born cats are the house-born ones will be sh*tty at the natural things wild cats are good at, obviously.
House-born cats probably stand less of a chance at learning the real world and surviving than wild cats stand just surviving in the suburban wild.

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