I haven't thought about My Morning Jacket in many years but back in the early to mid 00s they were a band I 100% associated with the worst aspects indie. To me, their bland take on indie rock is a precursor to the newer bands that are being complained about here.

I never thought of TV on the Radio or the White Stripes as indie back then or now.

I mean it was probably before Tumblr went to sh*t.

Imagine spending over a billion dollars on website that only exists for porn, immediately banning porn and being dumbfounded that you just wasted a sh*tload of money. How the f*ck are Yahoo! even still around?

I like My Morning Jacket tho. :(

They were actually one of the few current indie bands I DIDN'T hate back then, because they were more influenced by classic rock, which was my wheelhouse.

Much of my hate for indie (and other "scene" music like emo) back in the 00s was just backlash against the hype and the fact that so many hipsters had this obnoxious, standoffish attitude and were constantly sh*tting on the music I liked, so I made hating indie a core part of my personality and as a result I ended up not being any better.

Unlike some middle aged man child who still wears flat brim hats though I eventually grew out of that phase and learned to appreciate indie music on it's own merits and not let annoying fanbases prevent me for exploring art I might actually enjoy, because that's a stupid limitation to put on myself.

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You know Jans, I have to say you're one of my favorite posters. I like your vibe, iirc you're from Philly, I seem to remember you doing something cool like graphic design, you appreciated my Lion Mane-sex line. But this I cannot abide. I mean, "It still moves" ok fine. That was boring. And both Waterfall albums are capital B garbage. But their hits are ****ing HITS.

1. Holding on to Black Metal
2. Highly Suspicious
3. Touch Me I'm Going to Scream, Pt. 2
4. Victory Dance
5. What a wonderful man

Jim James even produced - arguably - the greatest Ray LaMontagne track "Hey, No Pressure"

I DIDN'T KNOW!

Z has a special place in my heart, it's the last CD I ever bought.

I think Sinister Urges is something I'd recommend on MB. It's eclectic and has quality songs. I personally love Circuital but I don't know if it's for everyone.

Yeah I wouldn't use Twitter follows as a metric either. I follow some fashy types too just so I can heckle them and their fans in the replies. Why just yesterday I made fun of Jackson Hinckle's shoes and I think it brought us that much closer to the revolution.

But I stopped watching Punk Rock MBA's videos cause he seemed like a basic bitch. Like, he seems to think DIY is supposed to be an individualist boot straps concept and that is painfully lame. He did get me on to slam death metal though so it wasn't a total waste of my time.

The fact that he follows Matt Walsh and other right wingers is consistent with his wife's politics, she has her own YouTube channel which is typical "anti-woke" reactionary garbage in the same vein as sh*t like The Quartering and Blaire White.

And apparently he's very pro-cop and if that doesn't disqualify you from calling yourself punk I don't know what does.

Even worse, he tried to tell me Attila were good.

I will say one red flag I caught before Booboo gave me the intel was that he was talking about some band (don't remember which) and he goes "Oh they're GOATed...like Blink, and Pantera." and I thought "that sounds like a 14 year old picking 'the best rock bands' by just picking bands they know.