GuitarBizarre

...the first page of this thread is a ****ing disgrace.

In what universe does it qualify as music discussion to fill a page of thread with "<band> sucks now", while offering absolutely no argument or other content of any kind within the post?


I like Weezer perfectly well, but ultimately their music has never wowed me particularly. A friend of mine however, is prone, when drunk, to argue that Pinkerton is the best album ever made. He's onboard with the idea they went downhill afterwards though he's never really explained to me in what way. And neither has this thread.

What, musically, changed about Weezer, that made everyone hate them? With Metallica you can say "They started doing bad Thin Lizzy covers and stopped having guitar solos" or "Kirk Hammett found the wah pedal and they weren't the same since".

Can anyone identify for Weezer, what happened?

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JakeATLBraves24

This write-up puts it into words better than I could (remove the spaces, I'm not allowed to post links because of post count):

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I think the main reason is the change in material Rivers has written about. He has gone from writing meaningful songs to generic, hollow pop songs. Compare "Only In Dreams" or "Pink Triangle" to "We Are All On Drugs" or "Troublemaker." The passion is long gone and has been replaced with calculated, contrived fluff. I think it extends to the music as well. Take the Green Album for example. Rivers' vocals are glazed over; it sounds like he has had the soul siphoned out of him. It's like Weezer has been censored. The sincerity that made them great just doesn't exist in their music anymore.

MglTerc

I couldn't agree more. Even though their albums past Pinkerton were passable, they just didn't wow me or pack the emotional punch that The Blue Album and Pinkerton had.

Even the songs that were not all that emotional were able to stand on their own as great songs with meaning, In The Garage, Holiday and Surf Wax America didn't dwell into deep emotional context but still provided something meaningful and real that a listener could relate to. We Are All On Drugs, Troublemaker and even (If You're Wondering If I Want You To) I Want You To just sound like attempts to seem cool. It just doesn't feel real anymore.

It's very sad because in a way I feel that Rivers did this on purpose due to the Pinkerton backlash.

Key

Why bother when it's a band not worth talking in depth about? The thread asked what happened to them, so people who either like them or hate them can express that in any way they choose. If it's a band I don't like, I don't go out of my way to look things up about the band because there isn't much point.

GuitarBizarre

I don't get this argument. Why would you need to look anything up to say why you don't like a band? You've listened to them. You've formed that opinion based on something. If you're going to take the time to say "They suck", then why wouldn't you say "They suck because x", even if x is some trivial little thing? Hell, it could have been "I can't listen to a man with a bad beard" and it would have lent not only a talking point to the discussion, but also some little weight to your position. Something could have grown out of that at least.

Thats all the difference I'm talking about. Give people a chance to talk to you about your opinion. Be involved in a discussion, or at least give people something to discuss amongst themselves.

To just drop into a thread about any artist, or band, or film etc, and offer nothing but "This sucks" seems to me to miss the point of weighing in on a discussion in the first place.

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