No pleasing some people.

That's true for some of their songs, sure, but there's a beauty in that for me, they take on this almost hypnotic quality. Meh, not for everybody I guess.

would u classify the radio dept. as noise pop?

No, they're dream pop, most certainly dreamy and poppy.

Is this noise pop by any chance? Absolutely love this song

Speaking of Vivian girls, oh boy. I actually saw them live and the bass player was at the merch table. I was deciding what to buy, and I started telling her what I wanted, and when she said how much I was fumbling with my money like a jackass for a minute or two. I eventually got everything straight and handed her the cash and she gave me this funny look. God was I ever embarrassed. :laughing:

Noise Pop can be done very well, or it can descend into utter dreck with 'layered sound' covering up the artist's total lack of arrangement and/or compositional skill. Jack Pat's qualification of the music as repetitive strikes me as applicable to ALL genres when they're done badly (though I'm sure this isn't what they meant).

To me, the best noise pop will let me sing along and dance like an idiot the way the best pop does (ie; it should be FUN), without descending into cheap structures or cheap hooks (not all hooks are cheap, noise pop esp. should have something clever going on). Vivian Girls fufil this imo, Ravonettes fufil it I suppose, though I'm not a fan. Po-faced noise pop I don't have time for though, it's boring and at times wince-inducing, and uses 'noise' as an excuse for the pop, as if pop can't stand on it's own.

I agree, though I'd use the word generic or call it lack of creativity. Of course there might just be a basic lack of musicality as well at a more extreme level of badness/averageness.