I was quoting all the 'oh so indie we were fans when they couldn`t sell out a shed' fans that seem to plague this band

^yeah that gets very old, very fast. I wish people would quit bitching that a band "sold out" and not read into it more than they have to. Bands change their sound and their direction, and sometimes it results in more radioplay, and more people hearing about the band. It doesnt mean they sold out, it just means they decided to change the direction of their music, and their decision paid off. It's a business, bands are in it to make a living.

Why not just say they made a crap album

I`ve been saying that for years about them & it`s never done me any harm.

meh, they've made some great albums, and I love their old stuff. But that doesn't stop me from saying that I think their newer stuff is nothing special. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's crap, but I definitely wouldn't call it good.

pretty much how I feel, 'cept all their CDs have a lot of filler and sleeping pill qualities.

I only like a few songs from their newest album, but I like almost every song from their older stuff though. I don't think they really sold out, but they certainly changed their style.

yeah that's true, I went through their CDs last night, and it seems every CD of theirs has a few amazing songs, a few songs that I completely forget about seconds after I hear them, and a few that I can't stand listening to more than the first 5 seconds. But I still love them, because I think when they do get a good song, they really get it right. Have to agree with Urban that there are other bands who have made very similar music to modest mouse, but for me they have something that keeps me coming back to the good songs they have made. Plus, dramamine, out of gas, polar opposites, and heart cooks brain are the most perfect songs for skiing pow that I've ever found.

I got one of their old CDs, it wasn't that great.

their awesome

Not band, just another new major record label band in constant rotation on MTV...hey they wanted to get rich though.