Nick Cave is Better Than All The Artists That Have Threads In Here (singer, blues)

[Zarko]

Originally Posted by Neil Loots

I had a friend who worshiped Nick Cave (and, more peripherally, the Bad Seeds I suppose) as an angsty teen. She had posters of him all over her room; even had something approaching a shrine for him in one corner, candles and all. I must confess that the music never really grabbed me, although I could see what the affinity towards such an "alternative" figure would consist in. "Australian Goth" would seem to be an oxymoron, but he inhabits this designation admirably, especially considering that mainstream Australian culture seems to be so monolingual/homogenous/stifling/white. (Apologies in advance to any Australians out there: I am indeed an outsider, so what do I know? Agreed, although I did qualify my statement with "seems".)

Australian Goth? Hardly seems the gothic type, and isn't normally qualified as such (The Bad Seeds I am talking about of course)

Have you ever visited Australia? Just wondering, no malice...

I don't really care about the image... And I am guessing most fans don't. It's about the music, the image just lends itself to that.

[Neil Loots]

Originally Posted by Zarko

Australian Goth? Hardly seems the gothic type, and isn't normally qualified as such (The Bad Seeds I am talking about of course)

Have you ever visited Australia? Just wondering, no malice...

Australian gothic, I meant. "Goth" is something entirely different, clearly. I would consider aspects of Tom Waits' oeuvre to be American GothIC, for example. Perhaps I am wrong in this assumption, too? Oh well, can't get it right every time.

No, I have visited Australia. I am sure it is filled with "good" and "bad" people, just as is any place. And mainstream media output is not a representative reflection of a nation: if this were so, America, for example, would solely be associated with Friday night football, Saturday night baseball, the hotdog and hamburger, Oprah, Tyra American Idol, The E! Channel, Rihanna, Beyonce, etc.,etc (!!!) Point taken.

Unrelated: didn't Cave perform a duet with Kylie Minogue at one point, before her "comeback"? What is the consensus on this song, "Where The Wild Roses Grow"?

[Zarko]

Concerning the gothic thing, I just normally don't associate them with the idea... Of course I could be off the ball as well.

Awesome song, despite Minogue being present