Five years isn't old and even if it was how does it exclude him from being part of the scene? Plus he's really only broken into mainstream this past year with the magic position.

There's a huge difference between being critically acclaimed and being popular. Even if there wasn't, having a critically acclaimed album doesn't make you a veteran, tons of debuts are critically acclaimed. Your reasoning as usual is shit.

I don't really understand your definition of indie here, if it was alternative music I'd completely disagree but it seems like the only artists you're considering indie are who you see in the NME. There's a bunch of great post-rock coming out of England now like 65daysofstatic and there's been some solid singer/songwriters like Frank Turner and Jonah Matagranta. There's also tons of great bands still going like Radiohead and Super Furry Animals but apparently they don't count anymore. There's also The Boy Least Likely To who are great indie-pop and Four Tet. I don't think you're looking hard enough, I can't sleep, I'm from America and it's 3:00am and I can already think of several.

No, Ethan. Your reasoning, as usual, fails to actually take any notice of what the other person said. Pity, but hey, what can ya do, eh?

The point (which hopefully you'll get this time, I know it's hard), was that Wolf is not new either in the temporal sense (given that the thread is referring to acts that have been emerging from the scene pretty mega-recently), nor is he new to critics. He's also had a fan-following for a fair while. He doesn't have anything to do with what this thread is asking. Stop arguing merely for the sake of it, it doesn't get either you or the discussion anywhere.

Hell, even if Wolf DID qualify as a newcomer, that wouldn't stand as anything against the general point here. We've allowed for the odd decent act here and there. The issue is more along the lines of the general creative bankruptcy of the latest acts. There's always going to be something on the positive side. Hopefully a number of things.

So basically this thread is just you as usual stirring up **** for the sake of it and deciding that indie and new bands all equal NME trash like the Holloways and the Kooks. You could just say that then I wouldn't have bothered trying to contribute anything in the first place.

No, not at all. I'm actually INTERESTED to find out if there is something of any worth coming out of the latest wave of bands. There's been no stirring here at all. See for yourself. It's been a civil discussion. A number of Brits have come in to admit to the current problems in the scene. Even Gravity Slips, who at first seemed determined to prove otherwise, has admitted to the recent slowness. I'm not on the attack. I just want to get further to the bottom of the issue.

As for your contributions, then obviously they're appreciated. I know you listen to a hell of a lot of music, so maybe you've come across some decent bands emerging from the current wave.

Speak for yourself. Some of us were into Paddy way back when Lycanthropy was around. I'm not bragging, just saying that I'm not from London and I had heard of him and liked him.

On another point, are we going to completely disregard the Klaxons now?

Your logic is awful because it isn't consistent. The Holloways got started in 2004 (not very new) Reverend And The Makers (2005) and other bands in this thread I won't bother with have all been around. Most bands don't pull an Arctic Monkeys and blow up soon after forming. All the 'new bands' aren't that 'new' (just going by your logic) so I really have no idea what to think of your argument. Basically you want to bitch about the current state of the radio which I don't understand because you guys don't have it that bad. I'd rather listen to the The Hoosiers and the Kooks than 50 Cent and Britney Spears.



I wasn't saying he was completely unheard of by everyone. When I got into him in 2005 no one knew who he was it wasn't until The Magic Position came up and pitchfork hyped the **** out of it he got any attention. The point I was trying to make was, like most of the bands Rainard is bitching about, he's been around for awhile and just hasn't broken out until this year. But he's invalid apparently for reasons only known to Rainard.

Whether he's new or not it doesn't change the fact that about the last 10 'new' bands i've heard sound identical.

If people want to listen to The Courteeners or The Cribs feel free , just don't expect me to.

I have to agree that the British music scene is currently dire and there is a total lack of inspiration (with very few exceptions). All media outlets are being drowned out with terrible NME bands.

I agree with the person that said Lightspeed Champion was worth listening to, and I'll add a couple of his peers to the list: Emmy The Great and Eugene McGuinness.

I also think if we are going back to 2006 then The Fratellis can be used as a prime example of a great indie band. Another very good Scottish band at the moment is the Attic Lights who are being produced by the drummer from Teenage Fanclub (a fantastic indie band from Scotland from a wee while back).

My final suggestion is a band that I think are from London, called 'Alberta Cross'. They were likened to Kings Of Leon although I can't really see it myself other than the singers looks but a very promising band all the same.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how the radio's always been.

Who says I was listening to the radio?

I've not bothered doing that since John Peel died.