listening to Parable of Arable Land now

this stuff is freaky

listening to 'Soldier Talk' and God... this is one of the most awesome albums I've ever heard. The recording is so dirty, loud, and brilliant.

I'm glad JackPat introduced me to this band cause it kicks the **** out of Roxy, Velvet Underground, David Bowie, or most anything generally labeled as 'art rock'.

Downloaded Kangaroo? recently... it's a bit like an RIO band doing post-punk (I love it).

By the way, is the female singer on the album the vocalist of The Raincoats? She sounds a lot like her, and I wouldn't doubt it if she was... After all, Mayo Thompson had somewhat of a connection with the band (he produced their debut album).

They're a good band, but come on now...

Nope, I mean it.

OK, out of curiosity, why do they shit all over The VU and Bowie in your opinion? Genuinely interested.

Cover significantly more ground then Velvet Underground (which lost steam fairly early on.), and tend to be consistently good unlike Bowie.

Bowie's had a much more prolific recording career, and the good far outweighs the bad. RK's back catalogue isn't faultless, and I haven't even heard all of it. As for The VU, I take it you're not a fan of the S/T or Loaded? Though nowhere near as experimental a earlier releases, both showcase musical diversity and a willingness to progress. Not only that, they both easily trump everything I've heard from the Red Krayola.

As I said, I've got lots of time for RK, I just think saying they shit all over Bowie and The VU is ridiculous. But hey, opinion is opinion.

Well, 99% of this is opinion. The only thing that isn't is the assumption David Bowie has a more prolific career. Red Krayola started in 1966, and produced their last album in 2010. David Bowie started his career in 1968 and last album was produced in 2003.

As for Velvet Underground, even their early albums don't really live up to expectations, in my opinion. They are good, not astounding.

Red Krayola are much more diverse, and consistent in quality than both. There are things in 'art rock', and 'art music' that I'd consider better than Red Krayola. I just feel that they overshadow many of the acts that are popularly advertised to tipify the genre.

I exaggerate, maybe, but I think my point still stands.

Bowie had had his fair share of crap albums - Pin-Ups, Young Americans, Tonight, Black Tie, White Noise, Never Let Me Down and Earthling

also both Tin Machine albums, if those count