My Bloody Valentine

White Lies · 11-07-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by almauro

I thought MBV was on to an interesting idea, fusing Jesus and Mary Chain noise pop with the ethereal rhythms of Cocteau Twins, but lacked the song-writing prowess to turn this into a classic. The good songs tend to sound similar and the boring ones stagnant and would benefit if they'd been shortened (filler perhaps?). The publicity it received in the early 90's was very good, making many top 10 lists, but has waned recently, because it’s one of those albums that’s decent, but derivative.

what exactly is this album derivative of?

I mean, you hear about Interpol being derivative of Joy Division, Bloc Party derivative of Gang of Four - how is Loveless derivative? You say it sounds like a fusion of The Jesus and Mary Chain and the Cocteau Twins' music, which is debatable to begin with as there's plenty of other influences at work. But even so, that's a combination of two ideas into a new one - in other words, not derivative, just musical evolution and progression.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 11-07-2007, 12:23 PM

Loveless sounds nothing like the Jesus & Mary Chain.

If you're going to say they ripped off the Mary Chain because of the guitar feedback thing you may as well say the ripped off Hendrix.

sleepy jack · 11-07-2007, 02:33 PM

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almauro · 11-07-2007, 02:34 PM

MBV attempt to be more trance-like by repeating the same riffs over and over, but if you can't hear J&MC's massive influence overshadowing "Loveless", then all I can say is ignorance is bliss and enjoy their music. As I said it's not a bad record. IMO it’s more of a derivation of "Psycho Candy's" pop melodies and dirty distorted guitars, than an "evolution".

almauro · 11-07-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by White Lies

what exactly is this album derivative of?

You make a good point and let me try to answer it this way. When I hear an original song by a great band, I'm unable to distinguish the musical influences. For example Radiohead and "Paranoid Android". I've listened to that song dozens of times, and I can't honestly say it sounds like anybody else but Radiohead. Yeah it's got prog rock, alt rock, new wave, and other sub-genres in it, but it's uniquely Radiohead and sounds like no other band. When I listen to MBV, i begin to lose interest half way through a song and start thinking, that sounds like J&MC, or they remind me of Cocteau Twins, or as some other posters noted, Bauhaus or Sonic Youth. Great bands absorb influences into something new, whereas bands that fall short, wear them on their sleeve.

cardboard adolescent · 11-07-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Pitchfork: New My Bloody Valentine Album Due This Year??

Magnificent! I'd give anything to see them live...

Kevorkian Logic · 11-07-2007, 04:48 PM

Wierdly enough, Matt (not burns but the 7ft tall one) in his and mine weekly music conversation mentioned that they might be going to some festival somewhere in California, I don't remember the name of it or when it is, but if you are up to I suppose you drive there or something.

cardboard adolescent · 11-07-2007, 04:50 PM

Coachella? That rumor's being going around for a while. I'd much much much rather see them in a club than at a festival.

Kevorkian Logic · 11-07-2007, 04:58 PM

yea, that sounds right. I agree they would be better in a club, but I don't really think you have much of a choice.

cardboard adolescent · 11-07-2007, 05:09 PM

Well the whole Coachella thing is unconfirmed, if they do have a reunion tour I'd imagine they would tour all over rather than just play one festival.

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11-07-2007, 12:23 PM	#82 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Loveless sounds nothing like the Jesus & Mary Chain. If you're going to say they ripped off the Mary Chain because of the guitar feedback thing you may as well say the ripped off Hendrix. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

11-07-2007, 02:34 PM	#84 (permalink)
almauro Way Out There Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 850	MBV attempt to be more trance-like by repeating the same riffs over and over, but if you can't hear J&MC's massive influence overshadowing "Loveless", then all I can say is ignorance is bliss and enjoy their music. As I said it's not a bad record. IMO it’s more of a derivation of "Psycho Candy's" pop melodies and dirty distorted guitars, than an "evolution". __________________ rock n music blog

11-07-2007, 04:48 PM	#87 (permalink)
Kevorkian Logic Imperfectly Perfect Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,290	Wierdly enough, Matt (not burns but the 7ft tall one) in his and mine weekly music conversation mentioned that they might be going to some festival somewhere in California, I don't remember the name of it or when it is, but if you are up to I suppose you drive there or something. __________________ "it is only through a limitless accumulation of the imperfect that a certain type of perfection can be attained"

11-07-2007, 04:58 PM	#89 (permalink)
Kevorkian Logic Imperfectly Perfect Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,290	yea, that sounds right. I agree they would be better in a club, but I don't really think you have much of a choice. __________________ "it is only through a limitless accumulation of the imperfect that a certain type of perfection can be attained"

11-07-2007, 04:50 PM	#88 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Coachella? That rumor's being going around for a while. I'd much much much rather see them in a club than at a festival.

11-07-2007, 05:09 PM	#90 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Well the whole Coachella thing is unconfirmed, if they do have a reunion tour I'd imagine they would tour all over rather than just play one festival.