I think what this comes down to is that you are talking about the 80's hardcore - emo scene and I am talking about the 90's emo- screamo scene....so in my original post I should have said the first "screamo" bands (though Shift is a 90's emo band, I really wouldn't put them in the screamo category) since I would say that songs like Piebald's 8 am departure probably had a big influenence on the emerging screamo/emo/whatever you want to call them bands like the Get Up kids...

I think if we were able to sit down IRL and have this conversation, we would agree.

that was an excellent post. i grew up with a dude from instil/you and i. it amazes me that he gets credited as almost starting a sub-genre like that. Deservedly so. so many of those bands played so many great shows in jersey, the list goes on and on...good times.

Hour of the Star was from New Jersey!

about the comment at the top, like most of the bands from the emo age these days are influenced by bands like at the drive in

emo actually stands for emotional hard core

yo nutshell is ur name coming from the nutshell from alice in chains

S'not like I've really explored this topic much outside the initial post, but regardless of wether I'm the first to say this or not: Melt Banana are absolutely NOT emo in any way, shape, or form. They could be considered Noise Punk, Noise Grind, Artcore, or whatever quasi-pretentious title you wanna give them, but they are way more than a stonesthrow away from any variation of emotional punk-fueled music, and DEFINATELY not "screamo".
If anything, they're more like a focused Sore Throat or The Boredoms over any remotely introspective piece of music worthy of mention on this board.

Oh, and so no one gets the wrong idea, I'm a flippin' huge Melt Banana buff. Just sayin'.

And it doesn't hurt to mention that they're a more focused Boredoms (or Voordoms, whatever) because The Boredoms is ace.

bucket full of teeth are grind, and joshua fit for battle are powerviolence

was that sarcasm?

JFFB is nothing close to powerviolence. I'm hoping this post is a joke/sarcasm poked at the fact many consider BFOT grind.

lol for some reason when I read JFFB I thought Charles Bronson





some bands are connected in my mind for reasons unknown to myself