I don't understand the appeal of this band, I've seen them live twice and I am baffled by it. Am I missing something???

They're kind of your average metalcore band which alot of people don't like.

Opposite of december is one of the best metalcore albums, & Nerdy is also one of my favorite songs everr. I still havn't listened to the demos >.>

New stuff is terrible

Old stuff is bearable

When I saw them live they sucked. Hard.

But Horse and TFOT made it a good show.