Emo Class (hardcore, metal, rock, genre, springsteen)

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-10-2006, 04:27 PM

Sorry for wasting your time oh mighty oracle of emo

judas_priest · 03-10-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Crazy thought, if you don't like this thread, or if you really have nothing add other then negative remarks or put down. Why not just ignore the thread and leave it alone?

I could have said the same to you in the Dream Theater forum. I was only expressing my opinion like I'm entitled to do.

sleepy jack · 03-10-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by judas_priest

I could have said the same to you in the Dream Theater forum. I was only expressing my opinion like I'm entitled to do.

That wasn't really aimed at you, your post held truth because as soon as a mod comes on its going to be deleted.

judas_priest · 03-10-2006, 05:31 PM

my mistake

~~Don~~ · 03-10-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

You said emo is short for emotional music, thats complete bullshit. Everyone should forget what MTV has been trying to market for the last few years. Emo isn't about razorblades, bleeding, lost relationship, tight pants and boys singing like girls. Its not about "my wrists are like grass and the knife is the lawnmower". Quit trying to pass off all these false pretences as fact. Because honestly, with your ridiculous definitions, Beethoven, Eminem, Backstreet Boys, Mae, Led Zeppelin, The Queers, Dragonforce and Britney Spears are/was "emo bands. You need to learn when to give up, perfection said in another thread you need to learn you're not always right. Emo comes from the 80s hardcore punk movement, and it always will because the genre is emotionally driven hardcore. In the summer of 85 alot of bands started coming about playing this version of hardcor (Nation of Ulysses, Dag Nasty, Moss Icon, Ignition etc..). These bands played a more melodic hardcore and stuff along that line. Alot of the emo sound standards. Alot of the bands are considered post-hardcore, but theres a difference. Post-hardcore typically has more vocal control and singing is less common in emo. Theres usually more structure to post-hardcore (ex. chorus/verse/verse/breakdown/bridge/interlude.) Emo doesn't really have any choruses. So by the 90s it was appearing in alot of places (example: gravity records in california). It broke off into two branches mainly. indie-emo, which was more commercially sucessful and had post-hardcore influences and tended to be more soft and poppy and screamo which had faster guitar riffs melodic/softer breakdowns and more screaming. Then pop-rock groups had some influence from indie-emo (now keep in mind, indie emo was entirely emo it was already an altered version, so if you took some influences from that what makes you so sure they only took the emo influences?) and it basically became entirely altered to where it lost too many hardcore elements, to where it could really be considered emotionally driven hardcore. Now we have tons of bands like taking back sunday, dashboard confessional, paramore and all thousand of their clones. Most likely some stupid music scholar wrote an article and went "well hell since no one knows what emo is i'll just slap the title onto them sounds more attractive then pop-rock" and then it went from their into the current wave of mediocre pop groups that MTV and other such companies have labelled "emo". Similar to what they've labelled punk, good charlotte and simple plan? Or how about what they've done with gangsta rap, fifty cent and all his clones? Emo meaning emotional music, would mean that anything from opera to rap would be emo seeing as nearly all music has some form of emotion in it. Seeing as the whole thing is based on how its "emotional music", I don't see a point in continuing with this arguement. But if Don insists i'm wrong I will. Also another thing, Don if you're going to counter this please use factual information as opposed to "no you're wrong stfu" or "well the scholary journal says you're wrong". I'd like something to reply to other then some fat old music profressional.

I've already explained to you why your hideous logic is wrong. I said that initially emo was short for emotional, that's where the word ****ing came from. Then I said it ****ing evolved. How many ****ing times will you make me repeat this? I've already explained the history and everything about identifying emo in the very first post. I explained that it takes more than just emotional music to be classified as emo when I spoke about how the lyrics were just an addon when emo was first being identified.

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"well hell since no one knows what emo is i'll just slap the title onto them sounds more attractive then pop-rock" and then it went from their into the current wave of mediocre pop groups that MTV and other such companies have labelled "emo". Similar to what they've labelled punk, good charlotte and simple plan?

That's what more or less happened and is exactly what I mean by evolved. Same with punk-pop and same with metal. When punk first arrived it sounded nothing like what most would associate with it now, so does that mean Greenday aren't punk at all? Actually they're called punk-pop because basically, that's just what punk-pop means. It doesn't mean it's a mixture of Britney Spears and The Clash. And this is exactly what happened with the mainstream side of Emo. And this is why some Used tracks are considered as emo. It's not just one ****ing scholar that agrees with me here. If you would actually take the time to research this I wouldn't have to explain this basic **** to you over and over again.

sleepy jack · 03-10-2006, 07:25 PM

lol

~~Don~~ · 03-10-2006, 07:28 PM

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if you're going to counter this please use factual information as opposed to "no you're wrong stfu or lol"

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sleepy jack · 03-10-2006, 07:29 PM

Sorry.

LMAO!

~~Don~~ · 03-10-2006, 07:30 PM

Better. I like your retorts here because it's another way of saying "Yeah I concede that I'm wrong, but instead of admitting it I'll just try and condescend you the best way possible."

sleepy jack · 03-10-2006, 07:31 PM

Yep, thats how I roll don. You beat me, I am totally wrong. I'm just trying to look clever by making these sarcastic stupid comments.

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~~Don~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 647	Better. I like your retorts here because it's another way of saying "Yeah I concede that I'm wrong, but instead of admitting it I'll just try and condescend you the best way possible."