Shai Hulud
 

Just check them out, they are pretty darn good hardcore.

nevermind. found them.

theyre alright. kinda generic in my opinion. the screaming's pretty solid. overall i like them alright.

Genric if they were recent. Almost every hardcore band playing today rips them off.

that is true. when were they formed then?

late 90s, like 96 or somewhere near there.

that would be...mid - nineties then. i dont really know..does that mean they're still ripping people off?

They came out right before Rise Against I think. Both grew outta the Chicago hardcore scene and unless I'm mistaken both have members from the now defunct 88 Fingers Louie (also a great band).

i'm saying bands rip off Shai Hulud. I'm confused by the way you posed that question

nevermind then, because i was confused by what you said. ive got a big presentation today and the stress is killing my comprehension skills.

thats kinda neat that both of them have members of an older band.

The guitarist for New Found Glory used to be their vocalist.
Their drummer used to play drums for Rise Against.

not sure if theyve ever had any members of 88 Fingers Louie (but its hard to tell cuz their lineups always changing)

Wouldn't have thought to see them mentioned here, but yeah, they were a pretty good band.